Game Mechanics: Damage disciplines not affecting non-standard attacks

[Shiftin]

Currently it is still possible to min backstab with duelist. I don't know if this counts as a backstab or duelist issue, but it seems like one of them.

The lucy description of duelist is:
1: Increase All Skills Damage Modifier by 100%
2: Increase All Skills Minimum Damage Modifier by 400%

So it should both double the max you can hit for and 4x the minimum for "all skills". Backstab is currently not being pulled in as a skill per duelist. Should it be?

Per Aadill, there is a similar issue with ranger archery damage which I will let him expand upon.

edit: to clarify, duelist does double your max backstab roughly by double, it's the second half that is acting up. Kanras would you be willing to share the classic tigole logs you have?

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Per Aadill, there is a similar issue with ranger archery damage which I will let him expand upon.

This issue revolves around the fact that I can hit for minimum damage with my bow (19 damage) and receive the "Your shot has done double damage" message but still only hit for 19. This leads me to believe that the minimum damage is not being adjusted in situations where disciplines or skills that modify it should apply.

[Baxter]

According to the safehouse duelist should work like this:

59 - DuelistDuration: 12 seconds
Reuse time from 30 (L59) to 29 (L60) minutes
Multiplies all base damage attacks by 4When using this discipline, all hits landed by the rogue will be for at least four times the base weapons damage. Backstab damage is doubled. This discipline lasts for 12 seconds, and has a base reuse time of 30 minutes. The reuse time for this discipline will decrease as the rogue gains additional levels.

pulled from http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2870

Right now I dont believe duelist is acting anything like this. Id like to open the test server and have a gm buff a rogue so duelist in its current form lasts like 30 minutes to get a good pars and see how its wrong.

[Aadill]

The test server is down, last I heard.

[Dravingar]

Yeah, here is a little snippet of duelist not working. Sorry I don't have a lot of logs with only duelist but I'll start testing when I get some free time.

Edit : Forgot to add, this is with 255 STR and a SCD in mainhand.

[Wed Jul 06 17:50:26 2011] You backstab Talendor for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:26 2011] You backstab Talendor for 163 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:32 2011] You backstab Talendor for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:32 2011] You backstab Talendor for 128 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:36 2011] Your muscles quiver with power.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:39 2011] You backstab Talendor for 218 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:39 2011] You backstab Talendor for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:52 2011] You backstab Talendor for 434 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:50:53 2011] Your fury fades.
[Wed Jul 06 17:51:01 2011] You backstab Talendor for 229 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 06 17:51:01 2011] You backstab Talendor for 120 points of damage.

[Aadill]

Bump for super importance.

[Arkyani]

duelist might work better if backstab actually worked. Backstab is so broke right now they turned rogues into non-casting rangers. Sad.

[dojo420]

Another post showing duelist to modify minimum backstab damage:

The backstab modifier also increases your minimun backstab damage on your duelist disc. It does a min. of 416 on duelist. Still only 130 (lvl 65 standard) on normal minimum backstab though.

source
even though he/she is talking about the backstab modifier on that weapon, you can tell that duelist should raise minimum backstab damage even without the 10% bs-skill modifier.

[kanras]

Originally Posted by dojo420 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First post showing duelist to modify minimum backstab damage:

source
even though he/she is talking about the backstab modifier on that weapon, you can tell that duelist should raise minimum backstab damage even without the 10% bs-skill modifier.

Someone gets it! Fixed, pending update.

[dojo420]

yay, thanks kanras.

hopefully this will be a thing of the past after the next patch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You try to backstab Trakanon, but miss!
You backstab Trakanon for 120 points of damage.
You backstab Trakanon for 120 points of damage.
You try to backstab Trakanon, but miss!
You try to backstab Trakanon, but miss!
You backstab Trakanon for 120 points of damage.
You backstab Trakanon for 120 points of damage.
You try to backstab Trakanon, but miss!
You try to backstab Trakanon, but miss!
You backstab Trakanon for 120 points of damage.