Velious 2H changes

Yinikren · #1 09-19-2013, 04:14 AM

Does anyone know the game mechanics behind the 2H changes that come when velious gets released? I feel like, as a 43 SK, I do waaaay more dps solo with my Noctivagant Blade (18/26) than my Deathbringer's Rod (30/40), despite the NB being a 1HS.

I regularly hit for 60-75 with the blade, and while my average hit with the rod is 70 even, and I get highs of about 122, I get a lot of 40-50ish double attacks that I feel are doing less damage than the blade. Is this placebo because of the long delay, or is 2H damage really that nerfed pre-velious?

Arteker · #2 09-19-2013, 04:17 AM

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Does anyone know the game mechanics behind the 2H changes that come when velious gets released? I feel like, as a 43 SK, I do waaaay more dps solo with my Noctivagant Blade (18/26) than my Deathbringer's Rod (30/40), despite the NB being a 1HS.

I regularly hit for 60-75 with the blade, and while my average hit with the rod is 70 even, and I get highs of about 122, I get a lot of 40-50ish double attacks that I feel are doing less damage than the blade. Is this placebo because of the long delay, or is 2H damage really that nerfed pre-velious?

2h update come way deep into velious.
2hands weapons where underpowered for long time , u just need to look at original weapons stats in velious release.
the change in 2hand mechanics realy worked although way better than expected 2hander superiority over 1hander would not be fixed till oow

Yinikren · #3 09-19-2013, 04:23 AM

Do you know the actual mechanic changes that took place? Besides the damage/delay ratio changes on velious 2handers. I keep thinking along the lines of better ratio=more DPS as an SK since we never get dual wield, so I keep wondering why I feel I outdps myself with a 1hs over a 2hb.

Nogdar · #4 09-19-2013, 04:54 AM

I think it's only something you feel.
While Nocti is a great weap, and the ebon mace even much more brutal, some 2 handers will come on top of em. I have a Jaid Inlaid Crescent Axe and it deals more damage than the ebon mace I reckon. Not a large margin, for sure, but still.

I'll agree that you need a top tier 2hander for this to be true though, it's indeed likely the ebon mace + shield would outdps the Rod you use. You can try parsing it to be certain, also [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tecmos Deception · #5 09-19-2013, 08:47 AM

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I think it's only something you feel.
While Nocti is a great weap, and the ebon mace even much more brutal, some 2 handers will come on top of em. I have a Jaid Inlaid Crescent Axe and it deals more damage than the ebon mace I reckon. Not a large margin, for sure, but still.

I'll agree that you need a top tier 2hander for this to be true though, it's indeed likely the ebon mace + shield would outdps the Rod you use. You can try parsing it to be certain, also [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

I have a 40 SK. Ebon mace is really nice, but granite face grinder outdoes it (and I bet deathbringers rod is VERY close to the mace's DPS).

Plus as a large race, you can still slam when using 2h (so you aren't really missing out on bash). And 2h get riposted less + riposte harder. And 2h lose less melee time because of spellcasts. And AC is of questionable benefit on p99 so losing a shield isn't a huge loss. Faster weapons have relatively higher thread than slower ones, but a SK isn't really too concerned with threat from weapons anyway... and noc blade is only slightly better thread than the rod anyway.

myriverse · #6 09-19-2013, 08:50 AM

At your level, NB should be significantly superior to the Rod.

Tecmos Deception · #7 09-19-2013, 08:58 AM

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At your level, NB should be significantly superior to the Rod.

Why? How?

GFG outdamages ebon mace at 40, so I'm pretty sure deathbringer's rod will outdamage noc blade at 43.

koros · #8 09-19-2013, 09:01 AM

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At your level, NB should be significantly superior to the Rod.

Incorrect, but it's quite close. At 51+ the damage bonus on 2h scales better. You shouldn't do more dps with NB but it may seem like it due to the slow attack rate/hit variance.

heartbrand · #9 09-19-2013, 09:13 AM

I have never seen a damage bonus on red99. I tested a wurmslayer 25/40 vs a Skarlon sword 25/40, both did the same max damage and both parsed essentially the same.

myriverse · #10 09-19-2013, 09:21 AM

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Why? How?

GFG outdamages ebon mace at 40, so I'm pretty sure deathbringer's rod will outdamage noc blade at 43.

Because of that delay, you're getting way more hits at a higher average, and the 2h bonus hasn't yet caught up.

Edit: my bad... I was automatically figuring in a shield for bash