No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Buma]

EDIT: For those saying go elsewhere, as addressed to another poster later in this thread. It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over. Also just finding a capable pug group with the right classes is harder. Have you tried grouping in a dungeon without a snarer, it is harder for everyone. Other factors include waiting for hours to get a open spot in the lesser camp spots in these dungeons, which for most players isn't fun so why wait when you can get genuinely good exp for low risk in places like OT? Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about. I play for fun, and so do others.

Overthere - Bards mass kite tons of mobs we get it, fine good for you bards. Except one problem here. OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here. But as I said in my title I have no problem with bards and their kiting mass amounts until tonight in OT. Non-bard players have a few spots where we exp at and they are the following.

1. SF ramp area. Pulls to this spot include everything pathing down the sides of SF either direction and out from SF the road to the small pond. SMALL AREA TO PULL FROM.

2. FM zone area. Pulls are mostly anything pathing down below near road and off to the sides. SMALL AREA TO PULL FROM.

3. Sarnaks ruins/outpost straight out from SF or FM. Small tiny camp spot for a group. Pulls are everything in the ruins there.

4. There maybe other spots but lets focus on the majority of what players are killing here from the above 1,2,3.


Now back to the bard drama that is in this zone OT that I experienced tonight and would like to address for the bard kiting community. Nothing more than a constructive criticism for you guys.

It's more of a respect thing, some bards have it and some do not. Bards normally in OT will take everything SE corner of zone and North that spans a quarter to half way across the map west for pulling and they end up killing their mass pulls SE area of OT, however; some bards are dicks and don't care about their other fellow players. And as such these other bards are pulling everything from the normal areas where other classes are exp'ing at. Making it difficult to have any mobs to kill.

Had two group members die earlier because of bards pulling through our camp and dying and all agro being tossed back to our party. Had a bard pulling our camp and taking our mobs which resulted in twice of having to wait the 25min+ for them to respawn to start to get any pulls again for experience at the Sarnak camp. SF area has been pulled multiple times tonight which broke out into drama in shouts. Bards do not need to be pulling anything in these areas deemed for normal players.

If we can get a consensus as to what bards should be pulling in OT of specific areas then we can all rest knowing we will have some content to ourselves.

As a side note, pulling anything from their mass kite trains is not recommended as a few had to zone from some bards dying trying to master their ways. I know we can find a solution. But the downright disrespect to other fellow players is what pisses me off the most I guess. It's like rules do not apply for them. Don't pull the areas other community players are trying to use to level up at. Thank you.

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[SCB]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.

If you're going to mass kite, it is your responsibility to not kill other players. If you train other players, you face the penalties for training when your activity is reported to GMs. This is an open and shut case. Ban a few bards and this won't happen any more.

[Buma]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.

If you're going to mass kite, it is your responsibility to not kill other players. If you train other players, you face the penalties for training when your activity is reported to GMs. This is an open and shut case. Ban a few bards and this won't happen any more.

Yes I agree, however; it was not my intention to petition anyone earlier for it because it's hard to tell which bard had what train of mobs, plus they got clicky resed so it was okay, just sucks downtime plus waiting for mobs to repops cause they take forever to kill all them. Again with so many bards kiting it is hard to say who has what train unless you see them at the front with it trailing behind, but most the time the trains just go by and being OT the rain never stops so you got that FOG.....OMG THE FOG! Make the rain stop haha.

[SCB]

Being rezzed from a train doesn't excuse the act of training. Either learn to kite in an unpopulated zone or learn to group as a bard. Not a hard concept. GMs have the tools needed to figure out what bard killed who. Petition them, get some bans rolling, and let's learn from their mistakes.

[Langrisserx]

I enjoyed your presentation and thoughts. Very good proposal and you've done your homework. If nothing else, kudos to your efforts.

[Fawqueue]

If it's any consolation Buma, the bards you usually see monopolizing your mobs in OT end up quitting shortly after when life as a bard begins to require a little more effort.

[Calabee]

fuck ae kiting

[kenzar]

Training bans only happen when the train was intentional and when there is sufficient evidence provving intentions, like a fraps video. Since the bards intent is to level and not train groups said bards will never be banned. Roaming outdoor mobs are first come first serve, sorry. Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

[spoils]

Op confirmed Perun alt

[thieros]

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OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here.

stopped reading here. high exp there? perhaps im mistaken but its blah exp in a volatile bard zone. why group here when there are much better places to group! OT = roughly 75% exp. Check out the following for a more adventureful, and less bardy, time. Most of the below places have better loot as well (unless you are legit earning your OT hammer)

• Kaesora 110%
• Solusek's Eye 130%
• Any city's guards throughout the city(i hate erudites) 100%
• Kedge Keep 150-175%
• Castle Mistmoore 90%
• Frontier Mountains 75%
• Crypt of Dalnir 100%
• Estate of Unrest 130%
• City of Mist 85%
• Kurn's Tower 150%
• Permafrost 90%

*all exp bonuses in classic timeline, but should be somewhat reflective of current rates, also, i dont know OPs level range so i posted great zones for anyone who might be in OT(15-45). There are also many more alternatives that have the same exp rates. sooo. jus sayin there are options for ya.