Rogue Hide & Sneak

Andis · #1 10-09-2013, 10:04 AM

Rogues do use sneak and hide together to move 'invisibly'... in fact better than invisibly in many cases. If you 'hide' without sneaking also, once you move you are unhidden. The order in which you hit sneak and hide are unimportant, except for when you are levitating in some manner. In that case you have to 'sneak' before 'hide' in order for hide to work. You can 'sneak' on the move, but must be still to start to 'hide'.

Many mobs will never see thru hide. Very very few mobs will notice you sneaking when you are behind them. Mobs that see invisible will usually have a 'chance' to see through sneak/hide. This chance is affected by difference in level between you and the mob, and also your skill rating, if not maxed once you get over level 39 or so (as a rogue).

This becomes more and more of a factor in higher levels. For the most part at lower levels something will either see you or not, and it will be consistent. Still, /con mobs to be safe. I know that some mobs that saw through my rogue's sneak/hide at level 50, don't now see through it when he's level 59. Also, some types of mobs can spawn able to see through sneak/hide, but do not always do so. Goos in City of Mist are one example.

Sneak/hide also renders you invisible to undead in most cases. /Con is your friend to find out when it doesnt.

You cannot start to sneak and hide underwater, but you can continue to sneak/hide from dry land into the water. Hurts in places like Kedge Keep.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/skills.html?skill=43

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Mobs never had a "see invisible rogues" spell.
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some evidence regarding this rog hide sneak issue

nilblog and others please take a look, some evidence from 2003.

they way it is currently working, is worse than it really should be

a rogues ability to hide and sneak should be greater than a mobs ability to see reg invis, and ivu in this case.

pls look into this and thanks.

Danien · #2 10-09-2013, 10:11 AM

Rogue sneak/hide was nothing special until Planes of Power was released (2002) where they got the Shroud of Stealth AA. Prior to that I wouldn't even say it gave an advantage over a regular invis (save for sneaking behind mobs).

Holey · #3 10-09-2013, 10:11 AM

i think in the timeline were only in the 2000's lol

Holey · #4 10-09-2013, 10:13 AM

im not against on this on anything or trying to argue, but being a rogue nowdays is hard lol. especially for group/raid CR's in Fear.... (which i havent done in a while) but if done, its hard to con EVERY single mob. but hey CON is your friend.

Nizzarr · #5 10-09-2013, 01:40 PM

We proved that shroud of stealth shouldnt have been in the game. deal with it already you jersey faggot.

Andis · #6 10-09-2013, 01:48 PM

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deal with it already you jersey faggot.

lolol someones mad

sorry didnt understand you, the butter on your teeth made it near impossible to understand.

french faggot.

Retti_ · #7 10-09-2013, 01:58 PM

See invising every mob

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heartbrand · #8 10-09-2013, 02:03 PM

Sneak hide works as it did in classic, much like rangers suck, hybrids have no discs, discs all on same refresh, etc. Stop shitting up forums with this it's a classic server.

heartbrand · #9 10-09-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue sneak/hide was nothing special until Planes of Power was released (2002) where they got the Shroud of Stealth AA. Prior to that I wouldn't even say it gave an advantage over a regular invis (save for sneaking behind mobs).

Nice to see someone else who actually played classic eq

Chronoburn · #10 10-09-2013, 02:06 PM

Pretty sure classic hide for a rogue was just invis+IVU ... mobs saw through my hide/sneak all the time on live until SoS.