How to handle items upgraded during Velious?

[koros]

There were an absolute ton of items that were upgraded at various intervals during Velious. ToV/Kael/Velks drops in particular. It will be difficult to get exact information, especially about the pre-upgrade stats/exact upgrade date on some/many items. Should we just report information on that as we find it?

[koros]

For the record, here's some FoH items pre ToV upgrade as well as other misc info.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010505...www.noows.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20010515...www.noows.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20010401...www.noows.com/

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the record, here's some FoH items pre ToV upgrade as well as other misc info.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010505...www.noows.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20010515...www.noows.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20010401...www.noows.com/

What are we looking at specifically?

[Ele]

Posted a ton of pre-upgrade items from Velious in this thread

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=blade+carnage

[Alunova]

Anyone have a timeline of the Vulak dagger nerfs/changes? Pretty sure it was done before the other upgrades.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone have a timeline of the Vulak dagger nerfs/changes? Pretty sure it was done before the other upgrades.

This took forever to find, because the Dagger of Blood had been taken out of Zam's active database. However, the item is #6268 on Zam:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011004...html?item=6268

The second incarnation, Zeriphra's Dagger of Blood, is also not on the active Zam website, but had item #6488:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011030...html?item=6488

Comment on the Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011004...html?item=6268 (&mid=99497393477529 even though those message links no longer function)

Originally Posted by SuBoneTL

Posted @ Thu, Jul 12th 5:38 PM 2001 Score: Excellent[5.00]
I'd originally posted this under Kreizzen's Flame, but thought it'd be more fitting, and effective here. It may seem out of context a little because the original is in response to someone's comparison of items, but it should be clear.

Mrylokar's WAS one of the most damaging weapons discovered in the game when it was 12/16. However, enough people complained about its power being so immense that it would make the game unbalanced, they changed it to 11/17 with no AC and cut the proc to 1/4 its previous damage. Only ONE(1) of these daggers had been discovered by ONE(1) guild on ONE(1) server, and a cry of jealousy from someone who will never get one persuaded VI to nerf a beautiful weapon, which finally fulfilled risk/reward. The effort it took to get the dagger, and a few other items people complained about, is greater than any single achievement possibly in EQ to date. Quick run-down of what it took...
~70 of the most elite players in the game of EQ across all servers. ~50 of whom are from FoH. Every single one was level 60.
The mob that dropped this is guarded by 12, yes 12 LINKED dragons. These are North ToV dragons. The entire Northern area must be cleared to attempt this. Their fastest run was no less than 2 days. The fight with Vulak, the Lord of the Claws of Veeshan, lasted 14 minutes. Doesn't sound like a long time, but put it into context. One monster, 70 of the best equipped most experienced players all applying insane amounts of damage per second, with perfected technique. 12 groups, one mob. Warders in Sleeper's Tomb can be downed easily by one group of good players in a half-ass effort. They drop Primal weapons, sometimes as many in one kill to outfit the entire group.
Vulak drops only 3 items per kill. One person got a 12/16 10AC 100lifetap proc dagger with stats. One person in possession of what is in the long run really not much more than a token of what might be the cumulation of years of hard work and practice. This one dagger is not going throw off balance of the game. 3 of these daggers could not possibly do that. At a very maximum 2 damage per second gain over 13/20 primal, not counting the proc, the rogue would deal a very rough 1600 more damage throughout that fight, which is about... ~.2% of this mob's total HP. That's 1/500th of the mob's total hp throughout 14 minutes, and that's at best.
I'm sorry I'm rambling... Just trying to explain that FoH didn't have to release the stats on their most uber equipment yet. No one would ever have known about Hobart's Helm of War, Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood, or Crystasia's Crystal Ring, and nothing would have been nerfed. It may be hard to believe that a change like that can come about because of one or two letters from players even on different servers, but it happens, and has happened. Furor of FoH has vowed never to release equipment stats again because of this. What else could he do to protect his players from having taken away from them what's finally justified materially all their work and effort?
Neither the rogue that weilds this weapon, nor the enchantress who wears a 60AC +25all flowing thought robe will be able to solo anything they couldn't before. I guess I'm asking for us all to think about it, instead of whining when we see something we can't have. Perhaps I missed the discussion forum already on this topic. I apologize if that's the case. Anyway, please respond... Be safe, y'all. Leave some time for RL, although not too much[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
PS. Visit SafeHouse and FoH message boards to follow this discussion more closely and read about it more firsthand.
PPS. Afterlife has recently killed Vulak as well.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

---Updated---

Ruluvien was the rogue of FoH who received the dagger.
The full stats WERE:
12/16
mag/lor/nd
prim/sec/range
+10all resists
15str
10dex
70hp
10AC
feast of blood 100pt lifetap

new stats are:
11/17
mag/lor/nd
prim/sec/range
15str
10dex
70hp
+10 all resists
Feast of blood: 25pt lifetap


He is starting a petition to VI. If you want to help him, and the entire EQ community, post your messages of support here, or email FoH.
Thanks. Be safe, y'all.

Hyden Endabrush
Expert Scout of the Fay

Posts from days prior (July 3) still show this as dropping:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011004...html?item=6268 (&mid=99418081524042 even though those message links no longer function)

Originally Posted by Tehom

Posted @ Tue, Jul 3rd 1:20 PM 2001 Score: Good[3.71]
Drops from Vulak'Aerr - the head dragon in the Temple of Veeshan. Right now, it looks like a fine steel dagger when equipped, unfortunately, but I wouldn't rule out them changing its appearance. The proc is a 100pt lifetap.

As for updating from Zeriphra's to Vengeance (Mrylokar's3.0):
The first update from the archives is Oct 25:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011211...html?item=6887

Last updated: Thu Oct 25 10:14:36 2001

By Nov 14th, Mrylokar's3.0 existed (per Zeriphra's page):

Originally Posted by Daard

Posted @ Wed, Nov 14th 10:17 AM 2001 Score: Decent[2.55]
The Mrylo Dagger has underwent 2 changes. It was originally Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood. Deemed much too powerful by the gods, it was struck by a bolt of nerfning.
Then, the weapon became Zeriphra's Dagger of Blood, a pitiful shell of it's former self. Weilders of the previous incarnation scoffed at it, and said,
"What am I to do with this? This weapon is powerful, yes, but I have found better on weaker foes, and this will see no use from me."
Then one fateful day, the gods, in their infinite wisdom, decided that they had been too hasty in sending the bolt of nerfning. They proclaimed,
"Mrylokar's Dagger shall returneth! We will do more than revive it to it's original power, this weapon shall have no equal! Useth this update, and go banketh thy Ragebringer."
The newest version of this weapon is called Mrylokars Dagger of Vengeance.



Daard
Picking your pockets for 58 levels
<Liberation Army>
Bristlebane

And the first discussions on the Mrylokar's3.0 page begin on Oct 26, 2001.

TL;DR:
Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood: Velious release (or ToV itemization) until ~July 12, 2001
Zeriphra's Dagger of Blood: ~July 12, 2001 until ~ Oct 25, 2001
Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance: ~October 25, 2001 to current

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posted a ton of pre-upgrade items from Velious in this thread

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=blade+carnage

nilbog should implant that thread into this one, or move it to velious bug section completely

also I WANT TO SMASH U ELE

newb question - do all of the pre-upgrades get retroactively changed, or is there a itemversion_a and itemversion_b both in game at same time?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Mac Dretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nilbog should implant that thread into this one, or move it to velious bug section completely

also I WANT TO SMASH U ELE

newb question - do all of the pre-upgrades get retroactively changed, or is there a itemversion_a and itemversion_b both in game at same time?

Should be retroactive changes on all of them.

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should be retroactive changes on all of them.

Thanks but I still want to smash you cus your classic research negatively affects my pixel power