Is mapping multiple buttons to a gamepad chearing?

[loramin]

It's been my impression that it is against the P99 rules to map your joystick/gamepad/keyboard buttons to multiple button presses (or mouse movements/clicks). In other words, if you map the "A" button on your controller to "2", that's ok, but if you map it to "2, 3, wait 5ms, 2 again" that's illegal automation.

However, I've scoured the rules and the forums, and the closest I can find to any sort of official response on the issue is this post from Rogean, which was directed more towards log parsers:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...90&postcount=5

Can anyone point me to a GM post, line in the rules that I missed, or anything like that that shows that multiple-button mappings are prohibited? Or allowed for that matter; either way I'd just like to have some sort of clarification that I can point people to in the wiki.

[quido]

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[Champion_Standing]

I think if you are mapping buttons to things that are at least relatively possible with in game hotkeys you are fine. If you are trying to make a macro that automate something for you while you are AFK then you would be cheating.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

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Lmao

[loramin]

Thanks for that Jeremy, made me smile.

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I think if you are mapping buttons to things that are at least relatively possible with in game hotkeys you are fine. If you are trying to make a macro that automate something for you while you are AFK then you would be cheating.

Right, that makes perfect sense. What I'm really looking for though is somewhere where someone like Rogean or Derubael said "this ____ is 'relatively possible' and allowed, but this ___ is a macro/cheating" so that I can put a reference to their quote the wiki.

If no GMs answer this thread, and no one knows of an existing place where the GMs spell things out, then I suppose I can assume that means there is no rule against multiple button mapping. However, it'd be really nice if it were clear exactly what is/isn't against the rules (thus my asking).

Ultimately what this all boils down to is, I don't want to encourage some n00b to map multiple keypress-es to a gamepad button if that's going to get the n00b banned, but at the same time I don't want to scare the n00b out of doing something that the GMs are perfectly ok with either.

[fastboy21]

not sure how it is preventable...everyone has programmable keyboards and mice these days.

[loramin]

Well you could also say "the GMs can't tell that I'm running a speed hack, so they can't prevent it" ... but when Derubael sees you moving faster than Selo's you're still going to get banned.

Similarly IF the GMs wanted to ban multiple-button-mapping they could just watch a bard twist the same song every 3.52 seconds ten times in a row and know that no human could possibly hit buttons that precisely.

I don't think there's any doubt that macroing on some level is prohibited. The official guidebook says:

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

The question is just whether mapping the "A" button in your gamepad software to "2,3" counts as a "program that provides an unintended advantage".

[no chewie dont]

if you have to ask; its probably shady



imho

[Cecily]

Instead of posting how you're doing it, why don't you post exactly what you're doing with it.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well you could also say "the GMs can't tell that I'm running a speed hack, so they can't prevent it" ... but when Derubael sees you moving faster than Selo's you're still going to get banned.

Similarly IF the GMs wanted to ban multiple-button-mapping they could just watch a bard twist the same song every 3.52 seconds ten times in a row and know that no human could possibly hit buttons that precisely.

I don't think there's any doubt that macroing on some level is prohibited. The official guidebook says:

The question is just whether mapping the "A" button in your gamepad software to "2,3" counts as a "program that provides an unintended advantage".

its not the same thing at all...speed hacks are doing something that you can't do in the game without cheating. macros are doing something that you could do in the game, but are too lazy to do manually. taken to the extreme it creates significant short cuts of effort...but creates no actual in-game ability you didn't have before.

for example...you could macro auto-fire for your bow, or back stab for your rogue so you don't have to keep clicking it.

you could macro f1 to target yourself, item ability, and then retarget old target, etc...1 click instead of 3 done instantly. etc.