Spells: Druid Group Resist Spells and Some Resist Stacking Issues

[Jomar]

Issue:
Druid Group Resist spells "Circle of Summer" and "Circle of Winter" currently only provide +40 to their respective resist (Cold for Summer, Fire for Winter), while they should actually be providing +45.

Proof (November 2000):

Spell Name Spell Description Class Location Mana
Circle of Winter Group Resist Fire +45 FR Abj. Old Sebilis, Howling Stones, Chardok, Burning Woods, Skyfire 150
Circle of Summer Group Resist Cold +cr 45 Abj. Old Sebilis, Howling Stones, Chardok, Burning Woods 150

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Issue:
Talisman of Shadoo should not stack with Resist Poison. It currently does.

Proof (October 2000):
I don't think stacking databases existed back then, so it's basically just going off posts (which often times contained misinformation because we were all 5 years old back then).

DMF and shadoo add so much poison resist (not to mention bard songs) that gear almost doesnt matter.

Fizzi is right, with DMF + Talisman of Shadoo + Potion of Purity you barely need to worry about poison resist.

I always get buffed with shadoo and DMF before the fight, and usually drink a potion too.

DMF, Shadoo/Resist Poison, and Greater Purity do the trick.

No mention of stacking Shadoo and PR, and the last line would imply you can either get Shadoo or Resist Poison.

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The idea was to have a lot more stuff than just these two, but I can't find any real evidence for how Elemental Armor, Resistant Skin, and Resist Potions (Null, Cold, Heat, Purity, Antibody, Vial of Vampire Blood) all stacked with spells back in the day. It looked like Resistant Skin was supposed to stack with Shadoo and Jasinth (which it currently does not), but Elemental Armor was not supposed to stack with Summer and Winter (which it currently does). I may just be reading that data backwards though. Either way, if anyone has an spdat file off the Velious disk then I'd say that whatever is listed there is how it should be here at this point.

[Handull]

another thing to note: not sure if fire/cold potions should stack with the druid fire/cold resist buffs, but as it stands they do stack with the single target druid buffs, but not the circle line of buffs. if the circle line should offer more fr/cr than the single target line, then perhaps they shouldn't stack, but its something to look into.

[Daldaen]

Bump. Druid's Circle of Winter + Summer are wrong currently.

P99 Resist: +40
P99 Stacking: Circle of XX is overwritten by Resist XX (and vice versa)

Classic Resists: +45
Classic Stacking: Circle of XX and Resist XX should stack (could have both circles and both resist fire/cold on at same time)

Circle of Winter (Caster's Realm)

Group: Increase Fire Resist by 45

EQDruid's Link

Level 51 Druid Spells.
Spell Name -- Spell Description -- Class -- Location -- Mana
Circle of Winter -- Group Resist Fire +45 FR --Abj. -- mob dropped -- 150

Circle of Summer (Caster's Realm)

Group: Increase Cold Resist by 45

EQDruid's Link

Level 52 Druid Spells.
Spell Name -- Spell Description -- Class -- Location -- Mana
Circle of Summer -- Group Resist Cold +cr 45 -- Abj. -- mob dropped -- 150

Stacking was 'fixed' in a May 2002 Patch -- IE Luclin

"Circle of" Druid spells should no longer stack with their Resist counterparts.

For the lifespan of this server, they should always stack. And they have always been +45 on live I believe... but certainly were during this servers scope.

Lets keep it classic up in here.

[Erati]

holy crap whats the opposite of nerf !

its been so long for druids i dont even remember what to call this

[kanras]

Max of 45 for Circle of Winter and Summer, pending update.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And they have always been +45 on live I believe

No, 40 was correct for Kunark release. We didn't know when they changed between there and velious.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stacking was 'fixed' in a May 2002 Patch -- IE Luclin

From April 2002, just prior to stacking fix patch:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...126-150-false]

You're preaching to the choir brother man.

And speaking of druid fire cold buffs, prior to last patch there was a
screw up and the circle spells were stacking with resist fire/cold.
They didn't fix that yet, did they? :-)

I could cast Circle of Winter (level 51 group fire resist) and Resist
Fire (level 24 single target fire resist) both on my druid for a grand
total of +85 to my FR. Before, IIRC, those wouldn't stack.

I'm just wondering if they fixed that yet.

They did. Bastards. :-)

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5305

Druid circle of summer? stacks with resist cold for some reason now. Resist fire stil get overwritten by their circle spell.

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Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the lifespan of this server, they should always stack.

Lets keep it classic up in here.

Lets keep it sensible up in here.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets keep it sensible up in here.

Think with your heart and not your head!!! CLASSIC!!![You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Max of 45 for Circle of Winter and Summer, pending update.

No, 40 was correct for Kunark release. We didn't know when they changed between there and velious.

From April 2002, just prior to stacking fix patch:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...126-150-false]

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5305


Lets keep it sensible up in here.

In order:

Fantastic Fix

I found no evidence of 40 Resist, but again recollection and rather irrelevant at this point in time since theres proof causing the above fix.

I am nearly positive that the resist stacking persisted longer than a single patch period. It did atleast for the cold resists. They still do on live infact.

Resist Fire/Cold occupy slot 1.

Circle of Summer occupies slot 4. Circle of Winter occupies slot 1.

So Circle of Summer + Resist Cold were allowed to stack. Was that way on Mac, is that way on live. I'll look for more evidence before patch in question.

[kanras]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I found no evidence of 40 Resist, but again recollection and rather irrelevant at this point in time since theres proof causing the above fix.

It's 40 in the kunark release spdat.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Circle of Summer occupies slot 4. Circle of Winter occupies slot 1.

So Circle of Summer + Resist Cold were allowed to stack. Was that way on Mac, is that way on live. I'll look for more evidence before patch in question.

Both Circle spells and all Resist spells have the resists in slot 1 in both Kunark and Velious spdats.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy crap whats the opposite of nerf !

its been so long for druids i dont even remember what to call this

this didnt last long