Minecraft creator says "Piracy" isn't theft

[Harrison]

http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-is-th...reator-110303/

I agree entirely.

[quellren]

He's stupid. Just like his opposition, he subtly twists his case to make his point.
The copying != piracy argument really only works in a limited manner.

What 'Notch' seems to overlook is that music, stand-alone games, (modded Xbox and PS3, hacked PSP's etc.) and digital 'stuff' that isn't growing, is a final product.
Say I saw a friend playing Morrowind. I really like it and want to give it a spin. I don't want to pay for it, so I torrent it from the net.
Notch says I just 'made more' of what already existed, so it isn't theft.
I say I now own every line of coding that would be on the install disc in the box at Game Stop. I, however, got it and never paid for it. Getting a full operation of a product, without Bethesda getting money for it is theft.
I want some more Metallica on my iPod, so I just torrent it and poof. Enter Sandman all day. Aside from the agreement (or not) that Metallica has enough money and they can shove it. I now can rock out and I never paid them for the product they produce. That's theft.
It doesn't matter that no one lost property in the act, it matters that I now possess something that is sold in stores, but I didn't pay for.

If Notch is happy that 30% of the people who have registered to play have actually downloaded the game from him, then good for him.
I will admit, that I DL'd minecraft during the famous 'free-play week' a few months back where his registration server crashed (or something) but I never really did much with it. I've played it maybe 6 hours total.
From the quick research I did, there doesn't seem to be any way to log onto a public server without the stamp of approval from Notch, which you have to pay for. So all this talk about how he's OK with people pirating his game is fine because those that do and then don't pay him to play online are like me, literally alone in an empty, under-developed world. essentially what he's doing is allowing the pirated stuff to be his demo, and then counting on the appeal to draw in sales.
It's not much different than the F2P games, DL for free, play all you want, but you can't have a horse, a house, or get into that ultra-cool endgame dragon raid unless you pony up some cash.

[Harrison]

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He's stupid.

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Jealousy is a stinky cologne.

A software dev himself, amongst uncountable others, believes that this witch hunt the MPAA and others are out on is fucking retarded...and he's stupid because you disagree? ...right.

[quellren]

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Jealousy is a stinky cologne.

A software dev himself, amongst uncountable others, believes that this witch hunt the MPAA and others are out on is fucking retarded...and he's stupid because you disagree? ...right.

Yep, you got me. I'm jealous.

Remind me what I'm jealous of?

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, you got me. I'm jealous.

Remind me what I'm jealous of?

Not having access to a litre of cola.

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...and he's stupid because you disagree? ...right.

Isn't this the only argument you've ever made on these forums?

[JayDee]

Piracy derives from the word pirate and pirates are thieves.

See bros, I don't even have to have a well thought out argument or do any real research.

[moklianne]

Pirates these days are simply fishermen that don't like people in their waters.

[guineapig]

"Copying" sounds more like "plagiarism" than theft if you want to get technical... but I know that this word doesn't really apply either. Plagiarism is only an issue if you are making money off another persons work.

For instance any band can play a cover tune of any other band at a live concert and not ask permission to do so (because the fans paid for the show, not for a particular song). However they can't put a cover song on an album without getting permission. So here you have a playing (with) another persons work versus selling another person's work.

In EQ terms I think "dupe-ing" would be the most appropriate term which is a banable offense.

Not sure what I'm getting at here. I like Minecraft and now I wish I was working on my castle instead of sitting here at work.

[Massive Marc]

On the article: Talking to someone who is part of the Pirate Party about copyright seems redundant. I wonder what line he's going to toe?

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

essentially what he's doing is allowing the pirated stuff to be his demo, and then counting on the appeal to draw in sales.

I don't see anything wrong with this. Seems smart.

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not much different than the F2P games, DL for free, play all you want, but you can't have a horse, a house, or get into that ultra-cool endgame dragon raid unless you pony up some cash.

I really like this business model. It's working well with League of Legends and a few other popular games. You just can't sell POWER (anything that gives another player an advantage) or else your whole game is gonna shit the bed and be unbalanced.

I really don't know where to draw the line with copyrighting or pirating. I do so much of it now. It's common place for me to just go download the newest movie or music via torrent. I think at the end of the day companies will adapt with tricks and loopholes so pirating isn't as beneficial (not sure how you do it).