Is Your Server Reputation Worth

[snyder43]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(by the 5% of the server population that looks at the forums).

Although only a fraction of the population look at the forums, people are constantly shouting and /ooc-ing things like "book not up" and "book up?" Some confused player usually asks what that means, which serves to continue to spread Bvmmey's reputation across the server.

[GiRaff3]

I spoke with a Clue member yesterday that had no idea...I think it's only a point of contention in here!

[Gilder]

Bvmmey sighting

[Mead]

clue going hard on the smear campaign

so much hate over meaningless pixels

[Cecily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDm9H5Megc&app=desktop

[Tricket]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so much hate over meaningless pixels

This, in my opinion, is a moot argument. I will try to explain below. (first with a TLDR)
Essentially, your statement (1) fails to account for the time invested in pursuit of hedonism (desire for pleasure - i.e. playing video games generally); (2) the community's consensus that it was a slimy thing to do; (3) the subjective reality of value in the game.

5K plat, an epic item, a 10 hour spawn, etc. Call it what you will, the object is not the focus - The act is. Why?

1) It is indicative of past/unseen behaviour.
Without missing a beat, he snuck around the outside wall of the dungeon, up the ramp, and b-lined it to the book. He knew where he was going, he knew what he was after. This was very clearly not his first run. Who knows how many rogues have needed it and the book was 'not up.'
That is time he has robbed from them. People dedicate a considerable amount of energy and time into 'meaningless pixels' - many players clocking hundreds of hours into this game. Consider the time spent in EQ in light of opportunity costs as well. By your logic, why play games at all? It's all meaningless by that standard. But the time is spent, and what the player has to show for it may hold more meaning to them than your statement gives credit to.
This is evidenced by players returning to raid the same dungeon for weeks on end, hoping that sweet upgrade they want will drop. There is a difference between wanting an item and it not dropping or it drops but you lose the roll, and having the opportunity to gain the item completely robbed from you in the first place. (i.e. ninja looting) Lawyer questing is so popular because of these kinds of conflicts.

2) The behaviour is universally abhorred.
With full credit to the propaganda and smear campaign, Bummey's reputation is likely the lowest on the server atm. Not only the forums, in game, on twitch, on reddit... His own guild has fractured and is swiftly deteriorating because they do not want to be associated with his theft. These are community responses to his behaviour.
If there is collective disdain towards the act, clearly there is more to it than 'meaningless pixels.' While a part may just be band-wagoning trolls looking to join in on the fun meme of the month, the mockery has become so widespread because of how blatantly against the social contract lying and stealing is seen to be.
(If anything, the fact that such a mundane object was stolen makes it worse - how skewed does your moral compass have to be to steal something so trivial? Again, the book is not the focus, the act is.)

3) Subjective value, my dude. (personal attack)
I get it, you ride a pegasus on 8th level of plane of sky. You have ascended beyond the plebs and attach no concern to such trivial matters as this. Your horse is the highest. So why weigh in at all? Just to belittle the hot-topic of the masses? To end this savagery and help us all realize that truly, there is no reason to care about some 10 hour spawn on a private server of a 20 year old game?
Who are you to place value? Who are you to say what matters and does not. Evidently, this matters to many. Were you at the raid? Have you had items stolen that you needed? Were you ever mad that someone stole your rare-mob camp while you were there for hours killing place holders? Your experiences speak for you and you alone - do not presume you have a right to lessen the interests of others, not dictate where they place their value.

4) Divine intervention
Not relevant but I just wanted to say how absolutely fuggin CRAZY the timing was for all of this to take place. How random that he walked by me as he did. How insane that milliseconds before he said book not up, he was asked what the book was for - imagine if he didn't say anything and waited to come back to camp? What if he decided to take a different route?
It baffles me, dudes - it is easily the most improbable set of circumstances I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. I cannot come to terms with how unlikely that was to have happened. I don't believe in a God, but damn... sometimes this shit makes me wonder.

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-T

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[Nikkanu]

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[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Tricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, in my opinion, is a moot argument. I will try to explain below. (first with a TLDR)
Essentially, your statement (1) fails to account for the time invested in pursuit of hedonism (desire for pleasure - i.e. playing video games generally); (2) the community's consensus that it was a slimy thing to do; (3) the subjective reality of value in the game.

5K plat, an epic item, a 10 hour spawn, etc. Call it what you will, the object is not the focus - The act is. Why?

1) It is indicative of past/unseen behaviour.
Without missing a beat, he snuck around the outside wall of the dungeon, up the ramp, and b-lined it to the book. He knew where he was going, he knew what he was after. This was very clearly not his first run. Who knows how many rogues have needed it and the book was 'not up.'
That is time he has robbed from them. People dedicate a considerable amount of energy and time into 'meaningless pixels' - many players clocking hundreds of hours into this game. Consider the time spent in EQ in light of opportunity costs as well. By your logic, why play games at all? It's all meaningless by that standard. But the time is spent, and what the player has to show for it may hold more meaning to them than your statement gives credit to.
This is evidenced by players returning to raid the same dungeon for weeks on end, hoping that sweet upgrade they want will drop. There is a difference between wanting an item and it not dropping or it drops but you lose the roll, and having the opportunity to gain the item completely robbed from you in the first place. (i.e. ninja looting) Lawyer questing is so popular because of these kinds of conflicts.

2) The behaviour is universally abhorred.
With full credit to the propaganda and smear campaign, Bummey's reputation is likely the lowest on the server atm. Not only the forums, in game, on twitch, on reddit... His own guild has fractured and is swiftly deteriorating because they do not want to be associated with his theft. These are community responses to his behaviour.
If there is collective disdain towards the act, clearly there is more to it than 'meaningless pixels.' While a part may just be band-wagoning trolls looking to join in on the fun meme of the month, the mockery has become so widespread because of how blatantly against the social contract lying and stealing is seen to be.
(If anything, the fact that such a mundane object was stolen makes it worse - how skewed does your moral compass have to be to steal something so trivial? Again, the book is not the focus, the act is.)

3) Subjective value, my dude. (personal attack)
I get it, you ride a pegasus on 8th level of plane of sky. You have ascended beyond the plebs and attach no concern to such trivial matters as this. Your horse is the highest. So why weigh in at all? Just to belittle the hot-topic of the masses? To end this savagery and help us all realize that truly, there is no reason to care about some 10 hour spawn on a private server of a 20 year old game?
Who are you to place value? Who are you to say what matters and does not. Evidently, this matters to many. Were you at the raid? Have you had items stolen that you needed? Were you ever mad that someone stole your rare-mob camp while you were there for hours killing place holders? Your experiences speak for you and you alone - do not presume you have a right to lessen the interests of others, not dictate where they place their value.

4) Divine intervention
Not relevant but I just wanted to say how absolutely fuggin CRAZY the timing was for all of this to take place. How random that he walked by me as he did. How insane that milliseconds before he said book not up, he was asked what the book was for - imagine if he didn't say anything and waited to come back to camp? What if he decided to take a different route?
It baffles me, dudes - it is easily the most improbable set of circumstances I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. I cannot come to terms with how unlikely that was to have happened. I don't believe in a God, but damn... sometimes this shit makes me wonder.

Okay back to non meaningless things [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-T

Alright I’m going to give you a blank piece of paper and I want you to write down all the reasons you’re mad.

[Cecily]

Alright I’m going to give you a blank piece of paper and I want you to write down all the reasons you’re mad.

Originally Posted by Tricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, in my opinion, is a moot argument. I will try to explain below. (first with a TLDR)
Essentially, your statement (1) fails to account for the time invested in pursuit of hedonism (desire for pleasure - i.e. playing video games generally); (2) the community's consensus that it was a slimy thing to do; (3) the subjective reality of value in the game.

5K plat, an epic item, a 10 hour spawn, etc. Call it what you will, the object is not the focus - The act is. Why?

1) It is indicative of past/unseen behaviour.
Without missing a beat, he snuck around the outside wall of the dungeon, up the ramp, and b-lined it to the book. He knew where he was going, he knew what he was after. This was very clearly not his first run. Who knows how many rogues have needed it and the book was 'not up.'
That is time he has robbed from them. People dedicate a considerable amount of energy and time into 'meaningless pixels' - many players clocking hundreds of hours into this game. Consider the time spent in EQ in light of opportunity costs as well. By your logic, why play games at all? It's all meaningless by that standard. But the time is spent, and what the player has to show for it may hold more meaning to them than your statement gives credit to.
This is evidenced by players returning to raid the same dungeon for weeks on end, hoping that sweet upgrade they want will drop. There is a difference between wanting an item and it not dropping or it drops but you lose the roll, and having the opportunity to gain the item completely robbed from you in the first place. (i.e. ninja looting) Lawyer questing is so popular because of these kinds of conflicts.

2) The behaviour is universally abhorred.
With full credit to the propaganda and smear campaign, Bummey's reputation is likely the lowest on the server atm. Not only the forums, in game, on twitch, on reddit... His own guild has fractured and is swiftly deteriorating because they do not want to be associated with his theft. These are community responses to his behaviour.
If there is collective disdain towards the act, clearly there is more to it than 'meaningless pixels.' While a part may just be band-wagoning trolls looking to join in on the fun meme of the month, the mockery has become so widespread because of how blatantly against the social contract lying and stealing is seen to be.
(If anything, the fact that such a mundane object was stolen makes it worse - how skewed does your moral compass have to be to steal something so trivial? Again, the book is not the focus, the act is.)

3) Subjective value, my dude. (personal attack)
I get it, you ride a pegasus on 8th level of plane of sky. You have ascended beyond the plebs and attach no concern to such trivial matters as this. Your horse is the highest. So why weigh in at all? Just to belittle the hot-topic of the masses? To end this savagery and help us all realize that truly, there is no reason to care about some 10 hour spawn on a private server of a 20 year old game?
Who are you to place value? Who are you to say what matters and does not. Evidently, this matters to many. Were you at the raid? Have you had items stolen that you needed? Were you ever mad that someone stole your rare-mob camp while you were there for hours killing place holders? Your experiences speak for you and you alone - do not presume you have a right to lessen the interests of others, not dictate where they place their value.

4) Divine intervention
Not relevant but I just wanted to say how absolutely fuggin CRAZY the timing was for all of this to take place. How random that he walked by me as he did. How insane that milliseconds before he said book not up, he was asked what the book was for - imagine if he didn't say anything and waited to come back to camp? What if he decided to take a different route?
It baffles me, dudes - it is easily the most improbable set of circumstances I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. I cannot come to terms with how unlikely that was to have happened. I don't believe in a God, but damn... sometimes this shit makes me wonder.

Okay back to non meaningless things [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-T

Mhmm mhmm.

Mhmm.

You make some good points, but have you considered how literally everyone else feels about the situation?