the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[magnetaress]

I'm still a loser. Even without testicles. Or testosterone. Tbh. Tho I did enjoy a few good years and I mellowed the fuck out.

Ur example person tho doesn't seem to need HRT to be a drama queen. So. I suspect no change then suicide.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol interesting

Other people have mentioned sponsorships. While he might get them, he certainly won’t need them. The dude is part of the original Mr Beast crew and one of Mr Beast’s best friends. He’s more than set for life, financially. All he can really gain from the transition, if not quality of life, will be clout

And in regards to quality of life, unfortunately exogenous estrogen in men, unless there is some medical way to prevent this, probably does not feel as good as exogenous test in women would. Gyno is painful, I’ve had it. Estrogen above normal causes weight gain, lethargy, moodiness, depression, and (some) loss of libido

Hope it fixes whatever he thinks it will fix, but he probably would have felt better and been physically healthier going with test for his HRT. We shall see though, supposedly there’s more success stories than not with affirmation, although since people are probably reluctant to speak out about the non-success so as to not lose literally all of their friends and support at once, who’s to really know

Is that a thing? Male gender affirming HRT for males?

I mean, why not?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that a thing? Male gender affirming HRT for males?

I mean, why not?

Yeah, why not man? In a world of “can I speak with the manager,” why wouldn’t you guys get an injection to make you facsimiles of your fathers and grandfathers

Still won’t be the same though. Put me in a p-38 and I could learn to dive bomb tethler in an hour. Most of you chumps are driving Subarus that top out at 45

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still a loser. Even without testicles. Or testosterone. Tbh. Tho I did enjoy a few good years and I mellowed the fuck out.

I’ve mentioned that my experience with above normal estrogen came from when I stupidly decided like 5+ years ago to shoot 1000mg/week of testosterone for about 2-3 weeks with no AI

When the body has that much test it goes “holy shit, we have wayyyy too much test, we need to convert some of this excess to estrogen” <— An aromatase inihibitor like Arimidex blocks this, but I didn’t realize I needed this prescription medication

I remember the day I knew something was wrong I was doing an ab machine at the gym where I pressed my chest into a pad, I remember my nipple really hurt. I could feel a hard lump in both nipples, that was painful

Within a few days, I was horrified one morning when I went to put on my shoes, and I couldn’t because my ankles had swelled to like elephant ankles (edema is another sign of too high estrogen). I wish I had taken a pic because it was the biggest my feet and ankles had ever been, I couldn’t even put on my shoes

I felt tired, I felt sad. I was single so I didn’t know how my libido had been affected. I couldn’t lay on my stomach in bed because of how bad my swollen nipples hurt

Everyone online said “you’re fucked bro, gyno is permanent. You need cosmetic surgery now and it’s gonna cast you $6k+”. Well they were wrong, 40mg Nolvadex, used to treat breast cancer, over the course of about 3 months killed that gyno. It barely had any affect for the first month and a half, and then all of sudden the gyno size started plummeting until it was completely gone. To this day I try to spread as much awareness about Nolvadex as a miracle cure for gyno as I can

This was mine, and any man who has accidentally sent his estrogen through the roof’s experience. Now THERE MAY BE some sort of way to raise estrogen beyond normal range that doesn’t produce these sides. I’m not saying that’s not possible. But I found my experience to be entirely negative, and it matched the literature

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that a thing? Male gender affirming HRT for males?

I mean, why not?

it's a man's world; of course this is a thing. there are many testosterone-obsessed physicians who believe that any man under 500ng/dl test is in dire need of trt, in spite of best practice guidelines and what the science has to say thus far.

just look for a sports medicine physician, particularly if they own the clinic. or just search "low t doctor".

if you're not experiencing hypogonadism you are likely not suffering from "low t" fyi.

[Jobaber]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a man's world; of course this is a thing. there are many testosterone-obsessed physicians who believe that any man under 500ng/dl test is in dire need of trt, in spite of best practice guidelines and what the science has to say thus far.

just look for a sports medicine physician, particularly if they own the clinic. or just search "low t doctor".

if you're not experiencing hypogonadism you are likely not suffering from "low t" fyi.

it's not a mans world, it's a rich persons world.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a man's world; of course this is a thing. there are many testosterone-obsessed physicians who believe that any man under 500ng/dl test is in dire need of trt, in spite of best practice guidelines and what the science has to say thus far.

just look for a sports medicine physician, particularly if they own the clinic. or just search "low t doctor".

if you're not experiencing hypogonadism you are likely not suffering from "low t" fyi.

Which is exactly the concern I have about gender affirmation endo

I’ve said before when my dad talked to his endo he didn’t know barely anything about TRT. His endo brought it up before my dad ever had a blood test. He tested slightly below normal like 350ish, normal for his age. His endo said, and my dad wouldn’t lie about this, “if you tell me you have these symptoms I can give you trt regardless of your bloodwork”

My dad said yes, and pays out of pocket. That was a profit driven, and in my dad’s eyes, unnecessary-gains-driven conversation

But gender specializing therapists and endos are going to not have a possible bias (we are all constantly reminded about our unconscious biases, usually its the left lecturing me about race) towards affirmation being the best possible outcome, and then seeing if the person happens to fit that, or some similar mindset. And that’s not even considering the profit motivation. A lifetime of hormones medication is nice, pharma loves when they can put you some drug for life, I reckon

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is exactly the concern I have about gender affirmation endo

I’ve said before when my dad talked to his endo he didn’t know barely anything about TRT. His endo brought it up before my dad ever had a blood test. He tested slightly below normal like 350ish, normal for his age. His endo said, and my dad wouldn’t lie about this, “if you tell me you have these symptoms I can give you trt regardless of your bloodwork”

My dad said yes, and pays out of pocket. That was a profit driven, and in my dad’s eyes, unnecessary-gains-driven conversation

But gender specializing therapists and endos are going to not have a possible bias (we are all constantly reminded about our unconscious biases, usually its the left lecturing me about race) towards affirmation being the best possible outcome, and then seeing if the person happens to fit that, or some similar mindset. And that’s not even considering the profit motivation. A lifetime of hormones medication is nice, pharma loves when they can put you some drug for life, I reckon

i don't understand at all what you're saying here, which is fine i guess.

doctors aren't in bed with pharma companies over HRT. that's a baseless conspiracy theory. generally speaking, if a drug has been available long enough for the patent to run out (20 years?) the pharmaceutical companies are not making a massive profit off of them. the newer drugs that you see advertised all over the place are the real money makers, as should be obvious.

your dad's physician makes bank whether your dad takes the trt or not.

edit: patent runs out, which allows for generics to be produced by other pharmaceutical companies

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't understand at all what you're saying here, which is fine i guess.

doctors aren't in bed with pharma companies over HRT. that's a baseless conspiracy theory. generally speaking, if a drug has been available long enough for the patent to run out (20 years?) the pharmaceutical companies are not making a massive profit off of them. the newer drugs that you see advertised all over the place are the real money makers, as should be obvious.

your dad's physician makes bank whether your dad takes the trt or not.

edit: patent runs out, which allows for generics to be produced by other pharmaceutical companies

Isn't it strange that T-HRT requires monthly blood tests but E-HRT requires a single psych diagnosis?

It's a man's world isn't it?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't understand at all what you're saying here, which is fine i guess.

doctors aren't in bed with pharma companies over HRT. that's a baseless conspiracy theory. generally speaking, if a drug has been available long enough for the patent to run out (20 years?) the pharmaceutical companies are not making a massive profit off of them. the newer drugs that you see advertised all over the place are the real money makers, as should be obvious.

your dad's physician makes bank whether your dad takes the trt or not.

edit: patent runs out, which allows for generics to be produced by other pharmaceutical companies

Now that I think about it, for adults I really don’t care. I take a laissez-faire approach towards most substances. And whatever a consenting adult wants to do, it’s better to be under doctor supervision than not

Kids to ne are a diff story due to the possible permanence and their suggestibility due to age. But I’d rather not get into that, for adults honestly I don’t care much. Doctors can be shady about selling it to their patients, but still better than the bro-science on the web usually