Enchanter Charm/Cha Tests

[A1551]

Awesome splorf so glad to see this! There's a lot of charisma gear sitting in my bank that I was holding onto "just in case" I ever got around to doing something like this, and now I don't need to!

Based on the last conversation about this I've actually been backing off on charisma a bit and just keeping it in the 210-220 range in exchange for a bit of int stuff (hp still #1 tho!) but reading this, thinking to a fairly reasonable degree that those points over 200 get you an effective 27.5 increase in charisma with associated increases in charm duration (and assumedly lull crit resists, etc) I'm going to make some switches back.

-Propo Fol

[Splorf22]

Well TBH I think Koros is still right; the issue is far from settled. So we absolutely need more experiments to really nail things down. I'd also like to see data at various levels so we could get a nice idea about the tradeoffs there too.

If my guess is right, than each point of charisma over 200 is about a 0.25% increase in charm durations. So I'm definitely dumping the granite bracer for the golden cat eye bracer (1.75% increase in charm durations for 15hp) but I think a pair of opalline earrings vs electrum bs (2.5% increase in charm durations vs 70hp/50mana) is probably a tossup. The most interesting swap would be the Crude Stein vs the Insignia Protector (20AC vs 10cha/25hp). I need to get a Donal's BP cleric on to do some AC tests.

Of course, if you are duo with a cleric I think 255 cha absolutely. Their HP buffs will swamp your gear.

[Phinger]

I'd be happy to offer some data, but i have never done any logging or technical stuff with eq, so I'd need a lesson on how to. I charm/farm all the time now that I'm 60 and can jack up my cha to 230+ with relative ease.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course, if you are duo with a cleric I think 255 cha absolutely. Their HP buffs will swamp your gear.

At the same time, AC buffs are free AC and do not count toward your cap. So you want to gear for 255 CHA / Max AC, and of course toss HPs out the window in this case.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Phinger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be happy to offer some data, but i have never done any logging or technical stuff with eq, so I'd need a lesson on how to. I charm/farm all the time now that I'm 60 and can jack up my cha to 230+ with relative ease.

Type /log on to turn on logging. Open the resulting text file in EverQuest/Logs and search for "You begin casting Allure" and "Your Allure spell has worn off" (or the equivalent with Boltrans).

The one complicating factor is that we need to know the level of the mob (every 4 on its hit from 140 is 1 level, 144 = 51, 136 = 49, etc). Also it's probably a good idea to dispell them.

[Splorf22]

bump for more data

[Raemius]

Don't need experiments, have a read over the eqemu source code and you'll see how CHA is included in the break chance when it triggers.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bump for more data

You'll be lucky.

The best person to get this data is you, which clearly you need as the sample size is tiny.

[Dagner]

good stuff loraen... surprised some of the names in this thread had enough time to afk from their farming to post in this thread!

[Splorf22]

I did read the EQEMU source code; it's why I went full int on Loraen. However the charm code here is totally different.

And yes, I would prefer 100 samples for each but that's just a bit much work for one person!