Enchanter Charm/Cha Tests

[gotrocks]

any chance of doing another ~100 vs 200 test splorf?

i read the first one and for the most part agree with you - the data points to charisma having a noteworthy affect on charms up to 200, but is still inconclusive due to lack of data. would love to see someone repeat this test, parse, an do it about 10-20 times to see what the result is. I would do it but im currently too poor to afford charisma gear to put my dark elf ench at 200 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

plus im saving all my money for my shaman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] gotta afford torpor at 60 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Raemius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did read the EQEMU source code; it's why I went full int on Loraen. However the charm code here is totally different.

And yes, I would prefer 100 samples for each but that's just a bit much work for one person!

How is it different? Is there something factual you are basing this on? Based on my experience with charm vs. the src code, it feels pretty close to me. That's why I went MAX charisma except when raiding.

It could be placebo effect, but there seems to be a small but definite difference of 220 cha vs 255.

[Raemius]

Also, Rogean has been known in the past to post code snippets of certain mechanics. Perhaps he or Nilbog would be willing to just paste the mechanics portion of charisma on charm?

[Splorf22]

When I read the EQEMU source code the only effect of charisma on charm was +1 tick for every 25 or something. If you get the charm mechanics out of Kanras, please let me know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[A1551]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I told you this a year ago good sir!

Just sayin!

[Raemius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I read the EQEMU source code the only effect of charisma on charm was +1 tick for every 25 or something. If you get the charm mechanics out of Kanras, please let me know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually that's incorrect according to the eqemu code. Each tick, there is a fixed 25/100 (25%) chance of triggering a charm break check. The code then basically says each 10 points of charisma count for 1/200 reduction in charm break chance (after taking into account level and MR). The effects of Level, MR, and Charisma all add up to a total out of 200. Charisma is 25.5 (assuming 255 max CHA) points out of the total 200. Please fact check me though since its been a few months since I looked at the code.

[Splorf22]

hmm either the code has changed in two years or I read it incorrectly the first time. In either case it is obviously not being used here. A fixed chance to break per tick (for any given mob/cha/MR combo) would generate an exponential distribution, which is not the case here.

[webrunner5]

Well this thread is anything but conclusive lol. But interesting none the less.

[Raemius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hmm either the code has changed in two years or I read it incorrectly the first time. In either case it is obviously not being used here. A fixed chance to break per tick (for any given mob/cha/MR combo) would generate an exponential distribution, which is not the case here.

As a fun exercise (you seem to like these sort of things), could you please have a look over the code again and give me your specific thoughts vs my observations? It is true that p99 may be running modified code for the charm portions, but its also quite possible a lot of it is leveraged.

The code can lead to a lot of interesting test cases. Also glad to help you do some testing in the game if you like.

[Extunarian]

... but its also quite possible a lot of it is leveraged.

I believe Haynar, Uthgaard, Kanras, and maybe even rogean, have all worked on the charm mechanics in the past, and it's my understanding that at this point they've completely replaced whats in the stock eqemu code for charm duration.

Anyone who has used charm regularly throughout the server's lifetime can tell you that there have clearly been some major overhauls to those mechanics.