The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We alrdy conceded the next Dain for this error. Unlike other guilds who must utilize dat PetitionQuest to score wins.

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.

It's easy to say that considering we were asked to concede nearly every mob we touched

[khysanth]

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[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all extensive purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

[colicab]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.

This is a thing that constantly happens but our raid leadership goes ignored by FA. Probably for the best because we have all seen what communication is like with a certain over zealous leader.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's easy to say that considering we were asked to concede nearly every mob we touched

When you do shady shit like training a puller with a dragon you are killing of course you are going to get asked to concede. How do you not see that ?

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the majority of those infractions as I just pointed out should not be punished ?

This is bullshit. Whether or not you think the charges are wrong does not negate the fact that another guild was there helping you kill the mob between last FTE and time of death, and thus are equally responsible. Did Asgard help you kill these mobs, or did they not?

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rampage and Taken- Zoned out a Lady N and trained it onto Detoxx when he had FTE on Vulak on Dracomir. No punishment. You guys literally zoned a mob you had killed down to 60% and trained a puller with it. You then pulled and failed on Vulak immediately after this.

Why was your puller with Vulak at WTOV exit when you guys set up camp at entrance? Is that not training the mob around? Perhaps your puller shouldn't have been training another mob around in west while we were attempting to kill a mob there.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by colicab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a thing that constantly happens but our raid leadership goes ignored by FA.

Not true. Your guild raided with us. All you have to do is send a tell before petitioning. If we mess up and kill the mob we usually have no problem conceding the next spawn of the mob. You guys really need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

Exactly - 1 of 2 trackers. Any guild ( if raiding solo ) can have up to 2.

Not only did we offer no advantage to Rampage but we actually HURT their chances by taking out 1 of the 2 trackers for COHing

You guys had Asgard/Forsaken versus 1 Rampage mage and Rampage yet lost

I am sorry you didnt beat Rampage to that Yelinak but Taken had nothing to do with that loss. Tracker FTE on a rooted mob hardly changes anything if the tracker immediately drops it and DQs them self which we did. Rampage did nothing wrong however according to any server rules. Taken broke the rule.

Show me how Asgard was not involved in those 5 kills you listed in that same light?

To me it looks like Sirken simply didnt want to add Asgard for some unknown reason bc it certainly is not consistent with the draco punishment that clearly demonstrates how to punish allied guilds that BOTH take part in the kill AND the loot.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is bullshit. Whether or not you think the charges are wrong does not negate the fact that another guild was there helping you kill the mob between last FTE and time of death, and thus are equally responsible. Did Asgard help you kill these mobs, or did they not?



Why was your puller with Vulak at WTOV exit when you guys set up camp at entrance? Is that not training the mob around? Perhaps your puller shouldn't have been training another mob around in west while we were attempting to kill a mob there.

Vulak never made it to West....haha. Nice attempt at spinning though. Why would you train pullers over there ? Why would you intentionally drop a summoning mob right near a puller ? Let's let the server actually see the shit that happens here. Who made that call ?