Items with worn effects (i.e. Regeneration/Flowing Thought)

[Versus]

I like the renaming of the Faceguard, etc. But not Vulak items. I love the server GM's and stuff but the names are so classicly cool, it would feel corny renaming them to Sirken's Axe of Slaughter and Alovia's Necklace of Wonder.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Turdburglers Faceguard"

Why does this sound like a real thing?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was my one worry reading these posts lol.

"Turdburglers Faceguard" just doesn't have a nice ring to it.

ah...hahaha awesome... and terrible

[Ele]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Needs to be researched to get a conclusive opinion. I have heard that the original developer statements were wrong, and that FT did stack. I have also heard that flowing thought shouldn't stack with flowing thought of the same level.

For example, should a Flowing Thought I item stack with another Flowing Thought I item?

With a cap of Flowing Thought 15 being in place, was that an arbitrary number or was it based on: FT1+FT2+FT3+FT4+FT5 = FT15 ?

Long time coming, but finally got some stuff on this. Surprisingly, CastersRealm and Graffe didn't really have anything contemporaneous with Velious, only post-stacking patch Luclin information.


End Result: Flowing Thought does not stack in any respect, highest Flowing Thought wins.

The January 8, 2002 (Luclin Era) patch changed that so all kinds of FT stacked with each other up to a maximum of FT15.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...53&postcount=7

Also, for the record, if you have 2 items with the Flowing Thought effect, only the one with the highest value will affect you(similar to the way haste items work). IE they don't stack with each other.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2

2. Flowing Thought effect (often referred to as FT) stacks with all known forms of mana regeneration spells, but it will not stack with itself. i.e., if you had an item with FT 2, and had clarity, it will stack and give two more mana per tick than clarity alone.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...0&postcount=12

Flowing Thought items are like haste items, you can equip as many as you like but the one with the highest value overwrites the effect of the others.

This thread on EQ Clerics contains some good discussion. It is the same day as the stacking patch January 8, 2002, but includes a break down of the previous FT system and the rumor mill of how it might work once the servers came back up.

The original post in the thread echos Nilbog's words above.

The word from the developers (Lawrence Poe to be exact) is that FT is supposed to stack, and that it not stacking (like it doesn't now) is a bug and on the list of things to fix. Now if that isn't huge for casters I don't know what is. Hell I'm bit afraid it'll trivialize some stuff since against weaker mobs I'm not losing any mana as it is (all NToV dragons except Vyemm for example).

There is this lone post by the EQ Clerics Admin, but it is immediately disputed by the next several posts.

The way FT has worked until now is that FTs would stack ONLY if they weren't the same. For instance, FT1 and FT2 would stack but 2 FT 1 items would not work. So if they fixed the stacking issue, then 2 FT1 items should now stack. Bit funny they say that it's broken now when it's been this way since the release of Velious AND "working as intended(tm)".

However, the above post is immediately disputed by the next several posters:

Boanerges I have to disagree. ... Looking at every test done sofar with FT items *noone* have stacked. Not same FT values and not different FT values. What will be the case after this patch remains to be seen. I hope they all with stack.

FT never stacked in any form. It always took your highest version, and that was the extra mana you got. With this patch, if it works as intended, ALL FT items will stack. So if you have 3 FT1 items, 2 FT2 items, and 1 FT3 item, you will have mana regen of 10 from your FT items.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious

Temple of Veeshan


Sal'Varae's Robe of Darkness Flowing Thought III

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6402

Flowing Thought III was not added to Sal`Varae's Robe of Darkness until March 20, 2002. Forever FT1.

http://web.archive.org/web/200208031...html?item=6402

Posted @ Wed, Mar 20th 1:03 AM 2002
Robe was upgraded with today's patch. It now has Effect: Flowing Though III(Worn).

Three separate sources state FT1, as of February 2002. http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4960

[Aerar]

This got me thinking. Is Rubicite obtainable on this server? I remember it was done away with in a fairly early expansion

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aerar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This got me thinking. Is Rubicite obtainable on this server? I remember it was done away with in a fairly early expansion

You can purchase/trade other players for it, there are some sets still floating around. It has not dropped since March 2010.

[Aerar]

im assuming people cant dye armor here so to me thats one of best looking armor sets in game

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aerar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im assuming people cant dye armor here so to me thats one of best looking armor sets in game

Can't dye in the Luclin sense of applying dye to any armor. However, crafters can make fine plate in various colors.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long time coming, but finally got some stuff on this. Surprisingly, CastersRealm and Graffe didn't really have anything contemporaneous with Velious, only post-stacking patch Luclin information.


End Result: Flowing Thought does not stack in any respect, highest Flowing Thought wins.

The January 8, 2002 (Luclin Era) patch changed that so all kinds of FT stacked with each other up to a maximum of FT15.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...53&postcount=7


http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2


http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...0&postcount=12



This thread on EQ Clerics contains some good discussion. It is the same day as the stacking patch January 8, 2002, but includes a break down of the previous FT system and the rumor mill of how it might work once the servers came back up.

The original post in the thread echos Nilbog's words above.



There is this lone post by the EQ Clerics Admin, but it is immediately disputed by the next several posts.


However, the above post is immediately disputed by the next several posters:

Hmmm,

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2

This link you left out some stuff

1. Those items are rare. They either drop off high end mobs or can only be gotten through extremely difficult quests. (read: King Tormax's head, 7th Coldain Prayer Shawl, Robe off Cazic Thule, etc.)

2. Flowing Thought effect (often referred to as FT) stacks with all known forms of mana regeneration spells, but it will not stack with itself. i.e., if you had an item with FT 2, and had clarity, it will stack and give two more mana per tick than clarity alone.

3. Two mana per tick sounds like a lot - and it is at lower levels - but if you consider the total mana pool and mana regeneration rate level 55+ character would have, it really doesn't make or break a character.

Edit: No, I don't have an item with FT, though I could conceivably get one. But the time and effort would be better spent if I were to upgrade my HP/mana than 1 more mana per tick.

Not sure if we should trust an unqualified response.



Also, the other ones offer opinions, not sure if we should go with a gran assumption. Need real data. Alot of people back in the day like to offer up their opinions as fact.