Items with worn effects (i.e. Regeneration/Flowing Thought)

[Alarti0001]

This issue is likely going to come down to best guess, or Nilbog's discretion.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, the other ones offer opinions, not sure if we should go with a gran assumption. Need real data. Alot of people back in the day like to offer up their opinions as fact.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually remember it just being top FT being it.. SO Ft1+Ft2+Ft3=Ft3

But my memory is subject to time, persuasion, and second-hand information.

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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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How is that confusing I very clearly stated an opinion not as fact and said it wasn't a source to trust since there wasn't facts.
Just because I remember something, someway doesn't mean I am correct. Which is why my previous post says this will likely be up to best guess or Nilbog discretion.

I don't make claims based off opinions.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that confusing I very clearly stated an opinion not as fact and said it wasn't a source to trust since there wasn't facts.
Just because I remember something, someway doesn't mean I am correct. Which is why my previous post says this will likely be up to best guess or Nilbog discretion.

I don't make claims based off opinions.

Do you dispute the way FT worked as stated in my post or just the authority with which I stated it?

There has been zero contradictory evidence posted, whether it be "facts" or contemporaneous opinions, representing anything other than the conclusion in my post and numerous others in this thread. The two contradictory posts were modern recollections without support. It is completely reasonable to reach the conclusion in my post in these circumstances.

Originally Posted by Alovia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IIRC Alarti has it right. FT would not stay with another one of its type.

FT was orginally coded to be a different effect all together.

FT1 had its own spell code, and FT2 had a completly different one.

There for no 2 alike would stack. However a FT1 WOULD stack with a FT2... I think in Luclin they made it all stack no matter how many of each you had and caped it at 15. before that 6 mana regen was all you could cap, with FT1+Ft2+FT3

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Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ft1 only stacks with Ft 2 which will give u 3 which will stack with FT3 which will give u 6 etc.

You could NEVER stack 5 FT1 items and get 5 mana regen before Luclin. I believe sometime way later they just made it hardcap at 15 and the items just say mana regen. though the 15 ft cap might have always been in but just pretty impossible to obtain w just velious)

If the higher FT simply overwrites the lower one meh not that big of deal as mostly people will only have FT1 neway with a few will have both FT1 and 2 so ur not losing much. FT mechanic never ever ever let u stack multiple versions of FT1 to get anything more than just 1 tho.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm,
Edit: No, I don't have an item with FT, though I could conceivably get one. But the time and effort would be better spent if I were to upgrade my HP/mana than 1 more mana per tick.

Not sure if we should trust an unqualified response.

If there was no other corroborating support (fact or opinion), then that post would be more suspect. However, that particular poster's comment corroborates all but one of the other posts listed and also matches the recollections of a majority of the other posters in this thread. Also how does that person not having a particular item disqualify him from being able to issue a statement regarding the workings of the game?

Also, the other ones offer opinions, not sure if we should go with a gran assumption. Need real data. Alot of people back in the day like to offer up their opinions as fact.

Opinion testimony is perfectly fine to support a conclusion. Please read up on Federal Rule of Evidence 701. If you can find for us an empirical double-blinded study of Flowing Thought that satisfies your criteria for a proper scientific study, then please share. Until then, we have to rely on contemporaneous posts which include opinions!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Opinion testimony is perfectly fine to support a conclusion. Please read up on Federal Rule of Evidence 701. If you can find for us an empirical double-blinded study of Flowing Thought that satisfies your criteria for a proper scientific study, then please share. Until then, we have to rely on contemporaneous posts which include opinions!

We actually don't have to rely on them.

Don't claim something as solved unless it is.
It might support a conclusion but it doesn't make a conclusion.

It would be reasonable to make a best guess not to conclude.


Luckily this isn't federal court and we don't need to rely on witness testimony. I'm sure you can probably think of a few cases were witness testified something that didn't stick.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We actually don't have to rely on them.

Don't claim something as solved unless it is.
It might support a conclusion but it doesn't make a conclusion.

It would be reasonable to make a best guess not to conclude.

Would you ignore all those posts and rather have the devs flip a coin? Because as it stands now the statements and posts in this thread are our best evidence and heavily support no-stacking of any kind.

When will this be solved in your mind? Do we need original server code? Statements from original devs? A P99 dev here making a statement of how it will work?

Do you draw a distinction between "best guess" and "conclusion"? Is not a "best guess" a "conclusion"?

If you are of the opinion that my "conclusion" is the end all be all and not subject to revision, then you are mistaken. If anyone posts any evidence to the contrary, I would certainly be open to examining it and revising my "conclusion" based on the outcome of an examination and a totality of the evidence.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you ignore all those posts and rather have the devs flip a coin? Because as it stands now the statements and posts in this thread are our best evidence and heavily support no-stacking of any kind.

When will this be solved in your mind? Do we need original server code? Statements from original devs? A P99 dev here making a statement of how it will work?

Do you draw a distinction between "best guess" and "conclusion"? Is not a "best guess" a "conclusion"?

If you are of the opinion that my "conclusion" is the end all be all and not subject to revision, then you are mistaken. If anyone posts any evidence to the contrary, I would certainly be open to examining it and revising my "conclusion" based on the outcome of an examination and a totality of the evidence.

The point is we likely won't find good evidence to decide which is was with any certainty

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is we likely won't find good evidence to decide which is was with any certainty

Highest Flowing Thought is the only one that is active.

Flowing Thought II + Flowing Thought I = Flowing Thought II

It is hardcoded into the Trilogy Client.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Highest Flowing Thought is the only one that is active.

Flowing Thought II + Flowing Thought I = Flowing Thought II

It is hardcoded into the Trilogy Client.

That would be my opinion too, but words are wind.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be my opinion too, but words are wind.

It is not an opinion, it is a fact.

This is coded into the Trilogy Client, there is no disputing it.