Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is you are the one who is repeating "95% of a Shaman's life" without defining it

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I don't agre with yet another of your "declarations", that I need to define anything. I'm perfectly happy with whoever reads this imagining for themselves how much of a Shaman's life is spent leveling up (a whole hell of a lot), how much is spent getting Torpor (a lot), how much is acquiring end-game gear that will make them hit stat caps (a lot more) ... and how much time the Shaman will get played once they finally have everything or nearly everything they could possibly want.

To me it's self-evident that 95+% is the journey, and only 5% is playing your character once you've gotten them everything; I feel that point stands without any further evidence.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Loramin, you are not some special being that just gets to say "I don't have to define something, but it is true anyway". Like everybody else, you need to provide clarity when making an argument, especially when you have a custom definition of what "95% of a Shaman's life" looks like.

Otherwise, I could just say "WIS is greater than STA because I have a special definition of WIS that I am not willing to share". That is exactly what you are doing, but you are saying STA is greater instead.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin, you are not some special being that just gets to say "I don't have to define something, but it is true anyway". Like everybody else, you need to provide clarity when making an argument, especially when you have a custom definition of what "95% of a Shaman's life" looks like.

I'm not some "special being", I'm just an ordinary human ... an ordinary human who expects the other ordinary humans (ie. not you) who read this thread to use their ordinary human brains to decide whether my argument makes sense or not (in this case, my claim that you spend the vast majority of your playtime before you reach the end, not once you've reached it).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not some "special being", I'm just an ordinary human ... an ordinary human who expects the other ordinary humans (ie. not you) who read this thread to use their ordinary human brains to decide whether my argument makes sense or not.

I agree. And the way to do that is to define your terms lol. I do not know what "95% of a Shaman's life" means to you, and you are literally using that as the crux of your argument. That is the fatal flaw in your argument, it rests on an undefined term that nobody but yourself knows.

EDIT: To your edit, what is the "end", and what is "before the end"?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: To your edit, what is the "end", and what is "before the end"?

In the context of this thread (the one you've been posting in and ostensibly reading for 25+ pages) I would have thought it was pretty clear: when you max out your stats, not because you decided to do so at the expense of all other gear, but because it was the natural thing to do while acquiring the best Shaman gear you could (at level 60, with Torpor).

[Jibartik]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the context of this thread (the one you've been posting in and ostensibly reading for 25+ pages) I would have thought it was pretty clear: when you max out your stats, not because you decided to do so at the expense of all other gear, but because it was the natural thing to do while acquiring the best Shaman gear you could (at level 60, with Torpor).

It isn't clear. You have some idea that all Shamans have a specific point at which they cap their stats, and this simply isn't true. You have no evidence to suggest the only time a Shaman will cap their stats is at level 60 with Torpor. I myself was STA capped before level 60 and Torpor https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...mwowiPreTorpor

This means your definition (which is still vague and undefined) is obviously not as tight as you claim it to be, and this is just one example.

And to be clear, it wasn't like I had all this gear when I made Shamwowi. The vast majority of my gear was purchased by Shamwowi from his guard killing enterprise. So it isn't like this is something a casual player couldn't do themselves.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't clear. You have some idea that all Shamans have a specific point at which they cap their stats, and this simply isn't true. You have no evidence to suggest the only time a Shaman will cap their stats is at level 60 with Torpor. I myself was STA capped before level 60 and Torpor https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...mwowiPreTorpor

This means your definition is obviously not as tight as you claim it to be, and this is just one example.

And to be clear, it wasn't like I had all this gear when I made Shamwowi. The vast majority of my gear was purchased by Shamwowi from his guard killing enterprise. So it isn't like this is something a casual player couldn't do themselves.

I remember that Ogre Magelo from the last time you mentioned in this thread (about Barbarians), like 20 pages ago. But putting the race aside, your Stamina isn't even capped (it's at 201, or 251 with Riotous Health), and it'd be six lower if you actually equipped your JBB.

On top of that you have over 85k of gear (a Fungi, a +6 neck, Othmir Prexus Totem, etc.) ... and Torpor itself only costs 85k. It seems to me most Shaman aren't going to farm 85k of plat before level 60/Torpor ... and even if they do, I'd imagine they'd want to sell it pretty fast, to get plat to buy Torpor.

So, (again) either way, for most of their Shamaning career, (even if there is a very brief pre-Torpor period of hitting a cap) ... most Shaman won't be hitting caps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember that Ogre Magelo from the last time you mentioned in this thread (about Barbarians), like 20 pages ago. But putting the race aside, your Stamina isn't even capped (it's at 201, or 251 with Riotous Health), and it'd be six lower if you actually equipped your JBB.

On top of that you have over 85k of gear (a Fungi, a +6 neck, Othmir Prexus Totem, etc.) ... and Torpor itself only costs 85k. It seems to me most Shaman aren't going to farm 85k of plat before level 60/Torpor ... and even if they do, I'd imagine they'd want to sell it pretty fast, to get plat to buy Torpor.

So, (again) either way, for most of their Shamaning career, (even if there is a very brief pre-Torpor period of hitting a cap) ... Shaman won't be hitting caps.

Lol you could easily cap a barbarian too with a similar magelo, the difference is 23 STA. Just switch out the relevant gear for:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Pearly_Sarnak_Bauble
https://wiki.project1999.com/Hammered_Golden_Loop
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crystal_Chitin_Armplates

All obtainable pre level 60 pre Torpor, and all good upgrades/sidegrades.

It is also silly to say 251/255 isn't capped. Are you going to dump 25 into STA so you can get... 4 STA sometimes? I would be capped if I had any of the items above.

And yes I obtained this gear via casual gaming. It really isn't hard to farm 100k, it just takes time. If you kill guards for 2 hours a day (500ish pp per day), you will get 100k in 200 days. That's not too bad in Everquest time for a casual player.

I have shown you an example of a Shaman who indeed capped their gear before 60 and Torpor casually. You haven't shown anything, or defined your terms. Just admit you are wrong.

Also, I had all this gear by level 55, and it took me over 100 hours to go from 55-60, so it wasn't a trivial period in which I had this gear. Plus I didn't have Torpor immediately, so I had some time in 60 without it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol you could easily cap a barbarian too with a similar magelo, the difference is 23 STA. Just switch out the relevant gear for:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Pearly_Sarnak_Bauble
https://wiki.project1999.com/Hammered_Golden_Loop
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crystal_Chitin_Armplates

All obtainable pre level 60 pre Torpor, and all good upgrades/sidegrades.

It is also silly to say 251/255 isn't capped. Are you going to dump 25 into STA so you can get... 4 STA sometimes? I would be capped if I had any of the items above.

And yes I obtained this gear via casual gaming. It really isn't hard to farm 100k, it just takes time. If you kill guards for 2 hours a day (500ish pp per day), you will get 100k in 200 days. That's not too bad in Everquest time for a casual player.

I have shown you an example of a Shaman who indeed capped their gear before 60 and Torpor casually. You haven't shown anything, or defined your terms. Just admit you are wrong.

Also, I had all this gear by level 55, and it took me over 100 hours to go from 55-60, so it wasn't a trivial period in which I had this gear. Plus I didn't have Torpor immediately, so I had some time in 60 without it.

You've shown that if you spend (something like) 200 days you can earn enough plat for Torpor. What you haven't shown is why, instead of spending that plat on Torpor, you'd want to spend it maxing out your Stamina.

But again ... even if you did ... you'd still spend 95+% of your career without hitting your caps. A brief period pre-Torpor, and then a brief period after Torpor (and after you've gotten the gear back to hit caps) before you quit doesn't change all the rest of the time you play your Shaman without hitting the caps.