Can someone please explain raid drama...?

[Clark]

Pixelquesters gonna pixelquest.

[Tewaz]

Red is now filled with a bunch of neckbeards that don't raid anymore and only want to kill each other. Basically, it is set so new players have no way of getting into the game like they could through gearing up in Nihilum.

Your choices are grind to 60 while getting ganked and then have no guild to join on red or wait 4 years for one drop for your epic on blue.

Both shit options that need to be completely rethought by the staff like...

Blue needs 10 times as many pops.
Red needs most of its population perma banned.

[Laugher]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red is a failed experiment

With a picture of Charles Bronson as your avatar good sir I'll have you know that the former <Charles Bronson> of the red server is disappointed in your lack of PvP and PvP support.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Laugher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With a picture of Charles Bronson as your avatar good sir I'll have you know that the former <Charles Bronson> of the red server is disappointed in your lack of PvP and PvP support.

I wanted to like Red. I tried Red. Red is nothing more than "pras" every time there is a serverwide PVP message. 100 people logged on a night typing "pras" in /ooc is not a fun server. It's a dead box.

If the community on Red grew up and came together to set some standards for their box, maybe things would change. It's not going to change though. Read their forums. Red is a doomed box.

In all honesty Blue is even worse. Rule lawyering is worse now than ever before. The young lawyers are now middle aged lawyers, arguing over the same semantics, content and crappy game design. People are coming up with ridiculous tactics to get their coveted FTE message and magical pixels.

There is a large influx of new players on Blue right now. This is actually a good opportunity for the Devs to expand on their p1999 Classic EQ experience. Build their brand.

They could start a new Blue server to welcome all these new players to the p1999 experience. A new timeline to give these people "classic Everquest" without having to deal with the state of the end game currently on Blue.

It's time to put Red to pasture. Make way for Blue 2.0.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wanted to like Red. I tried Red. Red is nothing more than "pras" every time there is a serverwide PVP message. 100 people logged on a night typing "pras" in /ooc is not a fun server. It's a dead box.

If the community on Red grew up and came together to set some standards for their box, maybe things would change. It's not going to change though. Read their forums. Red is a doomed box.

In all honesty Blue is even worse. Rule lawyering is worse now than ever before. The young lawyers are now middle aged lawyers, arguing over the same semantics, content and crappy game design. People are coming up with ridiculous tactics to get their coveted FTE message and magical pixels.

There is a large influx of new players on Blue right now. This is actually a good opportunity for the Devs to expand on their p1999 Classic EQ experience. Build their brand.

They could start a new Blue server to welcome all these new players to the p1999 experience. A new timeline to give these people "classic Everquest" without having to deal with the state of the end game currently on Blue.

It's time to put Red to pasture. Make way for Blue 2.0.

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[Kuldiin]

Instancing raid zones (as they do on other servers such as THF) would fix it, but it wont be done because its not 'classic', and it's much more fun having to wait months for a shot at a mob that spawns once a week.

I only play here as its the best server for standard grouping, when I want to raid I go elsewhere. Unfortunately the other servers are all multiboxing hell holes so theres a minimum of grouping to be had.

[Aveenia]

I have got to stop coming here & reading these threads. I just started a month ago here & this sounds so depressing it makes me wonder why I'm playing at all if the server is this messed up.

I am going to be keep playing but this does sound awfully discouraging to me as a newish player here.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Aveenia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have got to stop coming here & reading these threads. I just started a month ago here & this sounds so depressing it makes me wonder why I'm playing at all if the server is this messed up.

I am going to be keep playing but this does sound awfully discouraging to me as a newish player here.

Don't get discouraged. There will always be a vocal minority who is unhappy no matter what - we could open a new server and tailor it just for them and they'd still find something to complain about.

That being said, the raid scene was completely dominated by 1 or 2 guilds for a very long time. If you weren't in those guilds you didn't see much content. Now that we have a tiered raid system, everyone sees content. Granted, in Class R you get far less mobs than the competitive class, but you also get to relax and kill your targets at your leisure.

Another important thing to remember is that Velious will have so many raid targets that everyone will get a chance to see content. The most "exclusive" content is still likely going to be killed by the "hardcore raiders", but that's the way it was for most servers on live as well. I don't think anyone rotated sleepers tomb, lol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's so many targets in Velious that if you aren't getting your fill, you're either lazy or greedy. Temple of Veeshan all by itself has more raid targets than all of classic and Kunark combined. So that will alleviate a lot of the "raid scene woes" we're experiencing now.

It's definitely better than it used to be, though - everyone can see Kunark and Old World content without having to join an FFA situation. I think that's something we've wanted for a long time, but were hoping it'd come along naturally without our intervention. Also,

Originally Posted by Thulack

Dev's, GM's here grew up on non rotation servers so they feel a rotation is a pussy way to go about playing EQ.

I think this gives a wildly inaccurate impression of the staff here. Sirken feels somewhat like this, but I know that for me personally I would rather be a "class r" guy than a "class c" guy. I just recognize that there's a need for both schools of thought, and that the people in "class c" are going to get more targets because they put more time/effort in. As long as everyone gets an opportunity to participate in content I'm happy, and that's what we have now.

tl;dr raid scene is doing fine, velious will make it much better

[Aveenia]

Yeah I don't ever see myself in a 'C' guild. Too stressful, but I do hope to raid one day if not on Aveenia perhaps on a cleric I have yet to level. I am trying not to get discouraged, and as such I should stop reading threads like this, no matter how bored I am medding while I solo.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Aveenia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I don't ever see myself in a 'C' guild. Too stressful..

While I may do my best to recruit for red, I do play on both... and I hate the Class C raiding scene, always did. Happy to be "casual scum" by their standards.

If not for Class R I'd probably only have seen Hate/Fear/Sky on blue, and none of the rarer dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]