Ranger weapon with Swiftwind

[shwally]

Originally Posted by demokatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Btw.. how hard/expensive is it to get my hands over a Swiftwind today on P1999? What steps in the quest do I really need to do to complete the swiftwind part?

You need to complete up to Softly Glowing Stone part of the epic. Give Foloal Stormforest in Firiona Vie the Pulsing Green Stone and Softly Glowing Stone, receiving a Warmly Glowing Stone. Then Give Telin Darkforest the Warmly Glowing Stone receiving an Ancient Longsword. After that you will need to go to the Hole and spawn Jaeil the Insane by giving Jaeil the Wretched in The Hole Ella's Shiny Tin Bowl and slay him. Loot a Soulbound Hammer. Speak to Mairee Silentone in Erudin Palace and give her the Soulbound Hammer, receiving a Dwarven Smiths Hammer. Slay essence tamers in Plane of Sky and loot a Swirling Sphere of Color. Give Mairee Silentone the Dwarven Smiths Hammer and Swirling Sphere of Color, receiving Hammer of the Ancients. Give Kinlo Strongarm the Hammer of the Ancients spawning Usbak the Old who gives you a Small bit of Mithril Ore. Hail Usbak the Old and give him the Ancient Longsword receiving a Refined Ancient Sword. Give Kinlo Strongarm the Small bit of Mithril Ore receiving a Refined Mithril Blade. Give Telin Darkforest the Refined Ancient Sword spawning Faelin Bloodbriar, then give her the Refined Ancient Sword receiving Swiftwind.


That's everything you have to do after getting the MQ, but you have to complete everything before that to be able to get the MQ of the VS stone. I did everything up to the softly glowing stone on my ranger in about a day and a half. It was a LONG day and a half tho.

[Ruppet]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Tolan's sword is terrible, honestly. It's slow for a mainhand and you lose ATK from Swiftwind in offhand. Just all around kinda not so good.

Dang.. and I was thinking that 21 is fairly fast too, haha.

If I follow the same math to calculate weapon effectiveness.. I get ((15*2)+11) / 21 = 1.95 which outclasses the rest on the list from earlier in the post. I'd have thought the ratio would be good enough to make up for the benefit of damage bonus from a faster weapon? Is this thinking incorrect?

[Cecily]

It's.. good. But compared to Krezien's Flame or Baton of Flame, I think it's a waste to get.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's.. good. But compared to Krezien's Flame or Baton of Flame, I think it's a waste to get.

I think you're mistaken. The atk bonus stacks with Tolans and swiftwind. So I'm gaining dps not losing.

[Ruppet]

Originally Posted by TheBiznessTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're mistaken. The atk bonus stacks with Tolans and swiftwind. So I'm gaining dps not losing.

Unless I read wrong, I believe he meant that by using Tolan's in the offhand, you will lose the ATK bonus from Swiftwind effect.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Originally Posted by Ruppet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless I read wrong, I believe he meant that by using Tolan's in the offhand, you will lose the ATK bonus from Swiftwind effect.

I put tolan's in main hand swift OH obviously.

[Cecily]

No I'm saying for a NToV weapon, it's equally bad in either hand.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Ruppet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dang.. and I was thinking that 21 is fairly fast too, haha.

If I follow the same math to calculate weapon effectiveness.. I get ((15*2)+11) / 21 = 1.95 which outclasses the rest on the list from earlier in the post. I'd have thought the ratio would be good enough to make up for the benefit of damage bonus from a faster weapon? Is this thinking incorrect?

Yes, but if you do the same math for the two weapons Cecily specifically mentioned you get:

Baton of Flame: ((13 × 2)+11) / 17 = 2.17
Kriezenn's Flame: ((12 × 2)+11) / 17 = 2.06

Which is what her point was I think. Baton striaght up has a better ratio than Tolan's, and while KFlame is slightly worse, it is 4/10 of a second faster, which is pretty significant.

Not sure about the additional ATK, but it could make a difference. I still use epic offhand on my warrior for the ATK and Dex even thought I have a better ratio offhand, but with main hand doing a larger percentage of damage than off hand, I have no idea how much of a ratio/atk difference is necessary to justify using a worse raw damage, but higher +ATK item is.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, but if you do the same math for the two weapons Cecily specifically mentioned you get:

Baton of Flame: ((13 × 2)+11) / 17 = 2.17
Kriezenn's Flame: ((12 × 2)+11) / 17 = 2.06

Which is what her point was I think. Baton striaght up has a better ratio than Tolan's, and while KFlame is slightly worse, it is 4/10 of a second faster, which is pretty significant.

Not sure about the additional ATK, but it could make a difference. I still use epic offhand on my warrior for the ATK and Dex even thought I have a better ratio offhand, but with main hand doing a larger percentage of damage than off hand, I have no idea how much of a ratio/atk difference is necessary to justify using a worse raw damage, but higher +ATK item is.

Parsing will probably be required, but I suspect Swiftwind offhand will outdamage Tolan's offhand in almost all cases where the mainhand is decent. Maybe the AC is handled differently (buff ac or something, the live calcs were done that way) and it's ridiculously good for tanking?

[YotamR]

Is Claw of Lightning worth getting to replace Swiftwind? On one hand - Claw ratio is much better. On the 2nd hand - you lose ATK. Does the ATK bonus weigh so heavily that it makes Swiftwind irreplaceable?