Player-made agreements

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[Molitoth]

I mentioned the other day that doing a:

/random 1 - ## <- Character Level

could be a better way to go at Scout/Ring rolls.

Some people seemed to like the idea. (the level 60's)
And obviously the sub 60's are going to hate the idea.


This would give level 60 toons a slightly better chance at winning these contested rolls over the endless amount of shit alts and bots anywhere from level 45-55.


I don't expect this to actually go anywhere, but since I typed it up... whatever.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mentioned the other day that doing a:

/random 1 - ## <- Character Level

could be a better way to go at Scout/Ring rolls.

Some people seemed to like the idea. (the level 60's)
And obviously the sub 60's are going to hate the idea.


This would give level 60 toons a slightly better chance at winning these contested rolls over the endless amount of shit alts and bots anywhere from level 45-55.


I don't expect this to actually go anywhere, but since I typed it up... whatever.

Just like establishing a player agreement, the way to make changes to one actually happen is to "prosthelytize". Convince everyone there that it's a good idea: get as many people as possible to say "I'll do it if everyone else will", then be as charming and persuasive as possible to get the rest on board. Even lone holdouts tend to give in or go away over time, if you can be patient and over time persuade the rest ... but it's not easy.

Just because it's not in their short term best interest doesn't mean lower level players aren't interested in a more fair system ... but you'll have to convince people of that.

[Scroink]

Sup my doods,

Need a final word on this one. As you all know hadden is a 6 hr timed mob in Q hills. Can you be legit afk for extended periods in between spawns (only coming back to kill) and still claim camp? I've heard both arguments from other players. I have occasionally seen lists going (like for Stormfeather) but not sure this is appropriate as one player pointed out to me, this is because of SF's variance and once SF is in window, it is expected that player should be present (and not AFK). For the sake of clarity I reckon it should be as follows:

1. If you're at the Hadden camp and another player looking for camp sends you a tell and you don't respond for 15 mins, you lost it.

2. if Hadden pops or is up and you're at the camp and you don't respond to another players tell within 5 mins (I.E. obviously AFK) you lost the camp.

3. If Hadden is up and you leave him be cos he has a pole instead of earring and you don't want the faction hit, you lost the camp.

4. The Camp belongs to a player over several successive spawns until they get their earring. Once that drops, that player has to give up the camp to whoever else is present.

What do you guys reckon?

Clungina Gruntbucket

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Scroink [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. If you're at the Hadden camp and another player looking for camp sends you a tell and you don't respond for 15 mins, you lost it.

2. if Hadden pops or is up and you're at the camp and you don't respond to another players tell within 5 mins (I.E. obviously AFK) you lost the camp.

3. If Hadden is up and you leave him be cos he has a pole instead of earring and you don't want the faction hit, you lost the camp.

4. The Camp belongs to a player over several successive spawns until they get their earring. Once that drops, that player has to give up the camp to whoever else is present.

Numbers 2-4 are technically covered by current camp rules. Failing to kill within a reasonable time (number 2 and 3) forfeits camp. Getting a lore item drop you're farming also passes camp according to camp rules (i.e. no corpsing while camp is contested).

Number 1 doesn't violate any rules, and doesn't impact anyone really.

[Vallaen]

If the person is AFK at hadden its fine but if hadden is up and has been for over 5 mins than you are allowed to kill it.

If a person wants to afk for the 6 hours and come back just to kill hadden they are allowed to do it. As long as they dont log out or leave the area they have the camp.

[Crashking]

From a more recent status around the game, it was brought out that having a waiting list for camp or such is just another type of player made agreement, which was to be enforced. This would lead one to believe that any such agreement no matter how odd it seems would be held up as enforceable so long as there was full agreement, but seems like that might not be the case. JUST A FYI EVERYONE! DON'T COUNT THEM CHICKENS until you have every last one in hand!

[Sivaeb]

someone said at ring 8 roll today, "GMs clarified. No changing the time"
I see nothing about it here and nothing fresh comes up from a search.

I propose that once Gloradain WhatsHerName spawn time goes more than 45 minutes beyond the roll time be moved up to the next half hour (meaning rolls will always be at XX:00 or XX:30).

This way, people aren't having to sit around for, i believe it was 53 minutes tonight. The gap is just going to grow and people will eventually be rolling 2 hours before she spawns, which is silly.

[ivonkstronji91]

Holy crap, this is huge! I bet you could make your life so much easier if we had something like that.
I know what'd be cool though: maybe add a section where people can see all of the back channel raid leader agreements too-not trying anything sneaky here but just think it'll do wonders for server merge stress relief [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by fotso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a limit on time to hand in ring 8, there been some problem with hand in where it been stall to 1:30 hours back. Now ppl have to wait a long time to hand in. Should this be change as same of scout roll or have a 5 min to hand after since one has 30 min before hand to prep?

An unfortunate side effect of these player made agreements, is that once the GM's decide they are established rules, there is really no easy way to change them. All it takes is one person to disagree, and you eat a suspension for violating a player made agreement.