Shaman race debate

[Erydan Ouragan]

Vah Shir shamans are the best, imo, because it means you're in Luclin and the game is infinitely more fun from Luclin until PoP.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this thread fails to address the fact that anything other than barbarian will suffer irreparable damage to their self esteem due the likely housands of hours spent ugly ^^

Now there's an argument I can get behind. And then with Polar Bear form in Velious ...

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another idea I've toyed around with is rerolling a Barbarian, using the same tactics and equipping a Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer for the proc. In this case rubbing your JBB and relying on the exact same proc from your hammer.

I've done just that, and while it's fun I can promise the BSH is underwhelming. Not that it sucks, but when you combine it with the JBB ... well the JBB gives you like 6-10 Winter's Roars per fight (depending on what you fight) while the BSH gives maybe 1-2. So the BSH is still useful, but at best its 1/5 as useful as the JBB.

IMHO the BSH is way cooler to have from 30 to 45, as those 1-2 Winter's Roars have a much bigger effect at those levels (and you don't have the JBB yet to make it seem inferior). It's also not a bad weapon from 1-30 either, if you're just looking for a good twink weapon for a Barb shaman.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vah Shir shamans are the best, imo, because it means you're in Luclin and the game is infinitely more fun from Luclin until PoP.

LOL what racials did the Vah Shir even get? I vaguely remember something about being able to fall a bit and not get hurt; was there anything else?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL what racials did the Vah Shir even get? I vaguely remember something about being able to fall a bit and not get hurt; was there anything else?

Apart from looking fantastic and be considered a "good" race? No.

They were considered a large race too, so kitties ate a lot of kibbles :/

EDIT: They can't slam either, but Luclin.

[DrKvothe]

HP regen doesn't just help with "easy" situations pre-60, it helps with hard ones. Try solo'ing HS North or SolB imps without any racial regen or fungi; you're going to have a really tough time keeping your mana up to break rooms and keep up with spawns. Troll regen is a huge blessing for things like this.

Stop marginalizing the difficulty of getting to 60 and buying torpor. It's not easy and most people never get there. Once you do get there, there's not a single torpor shaman on this server that doesn't already feel like a god, and if they're not able to solo WW dragons on beta it's because of tactics and skill, not racial bonus.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HP regen doesn't just help with "easy" situations pre-60, it helps with hard ones. Try solo'ing HS North or SolB imps without any racial regen or fungi; you're going to have a really tough time keeping your mana up to break rooms and keep up with spawns. Troll regen is a huge blessing for things like this.

Stop marginalizing the difficulty of getting to 60 and buying torpor. It's not easy and most people never get there. Once you do get there, there's not a single torpor shaman on this server that doesn't already feel like a god, and if they're not able to solo WW dragons on beta it's because of tactics and skill, not racial bonus.

Getting to 60 with a shaman is Eeeeeeeeez

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting to 60 with a shaman is Eeeeeeeeez

Huehuehue

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HP regen doesn't just help with "easy" situations pre-60, it helps with hard ones. Try solo'ing HS North or SolB imps without any racial regen or fungi; you're going to have a really tough time keeping your mana up to break rooms and keep up with spawns. Troll regen is a huge blessing for things like this.

Yeah, I'm sure being able to cast 1 extra turgur's roughly every 6 minutes really makes the difference.

Also, that's being optimistic... When you consider that having to recast a spell after a bash and taking 1 or 2 more rounds of melee from 1 or 2 mobs in HS also completely undoes about 10 minutes of regen bonus, frontal stun immunity particularly shines in places like HS.

P.S. I must have missed the patch where only trolls can use fungi.

[kagrobb]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those "few moments" are the most important fights in many Shaman's lives.

When you are level 60 with Torpor, and you want to solo something beefy (like say some Velious content), regen barely helps, but front stun immunity does.

Since "level 60 with Torpor soloing baddass stuff" is the pinnacle of many Shaman's aspirations, Ogre is popular because at that very end stage the Ogre racial is useful and the Troll/Iksar racial isn't. It has nothing to do with which one can be used more often, and everything to do with having the most useful ability at the "pinnacle" moments.

Now, personally I don't buy that argument (as evidenced by my polar bear hat), but I'm just saying, you can't dismiss Ogre as being about "a few moments" because there's a huge difference between the easy fight against a blue when you are leveling and the insanely hard fight that you do at the very end of your career.

This post begins to touch the surface of the ogre solo ability of difficult targets at the level 60. On live I played a shm and during the velious era in group/thurg quest/epic click I could and did solo guardian wurms outside of VP ent for spells with my crappy shm pet. I have said this before but was called a liar by other shaman. root the mob malo the mob slow it, then cannit to full if you need to reslow/cripple click epic dot dot dot reroot. at this point you will start to get summoned you can either try to keep pet up or just back up since it takes a few seconds to get resummoned. Root slow rot canni topor until you have killed the mob.

Tedious yes, duo with sk or pally is far easier and far faster, but this is doable if you are bored enough or want to try to grind out some plat for spells. The caveat is that you need topor already to do this since no other heal line is going to keep this going.

Being able to tank a mob in the face as you recast slow or canni or topor yourself is worth its weight in gold at any level not just 60. So many times even as a lowbie shm it has saved me from losing spell casting and finished that slow or healed through a beatdown by a mob. Start thinking about slows on ae ramp mobs and having to bellycast on everything. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*edit* got a ton of necro spells for the guild necros before i got my avatard spell on live

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by DetroitVelvetSmooth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huehuehue

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