Shaman race debate

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Originally Posted by Timelord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons you go full wisdom is because it helps at lower levels more then hp does especially since you can regen hp faster then mana. Also when Velious hits and you can just buff up your stamina to the cap, you will rather have spent those points to get you near the wisdom cap. I think its like 250 or 255. With avatar its really easy to reach max stamina.

Avatar: 1 : Increase STR, AGI, DEX and ATK by 100 (not stam)

As an ogre sham, with med-high end gear that dumped STAM primary and 5 to wis, I'm sitting at 221ish stam and 212 wis in mana capacity gear(with HP rings), with self+enc buffs. A few verrious pieces (and form of the great bear +10 wis/2hpreg buff) will cap my missing 43 wis.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know that when you're getting interrupted, it's because of bash damage that didn't stun you?

Serious question.

Still interested in this answer, please. Very curious.

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Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still interested in this answer, please. Very curious.

Not sure if I'm reading the question correctly.

If you are bashed while casting (as a non-ogre) you will instantly fail your spell and be stunned a moment (similar to ducking the spell)

If you are bashed while casting (as ogre) you will continue to attempt the cast, as if you had taken regular melee hits, while receiving no stun

Edit: You still need to successfully channel after being bashed as an ogre. If your back is against the wall chances are you won't get melee pushed enough for it to be a serious issue unless you're underwater or something

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal Stun Immunity is pretty much a waste since it does nothing to keep your spells from being interrupted. I play an Ogre and I know this to be true.

Here it is claimed that although ogres are immune to the stun when bashed in the face, a landed bash still causes 100% chance of spell interrupt.

In other words, he claims that even if it didn't have a stun component, bash would stop spell casts every time it lands.

I'd like to know how he knows this.

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Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here it is claimed that although ogres are immune to the stun when bashed in the face, a landed bash still causes 100% chance of spell interrupt.

In other words, he claims that even if it didn't have a stun component, bash would stop spell casts every time it lands.

I'd like to know how he knows this.

I'm asssuming he played an ogre to level 10 and had 5 skill in channeling, and failed his spell every time he got bashed because his channeling sucked.

I'm often able to cast through 2-3 unslowed mobs, even without my back on the wall.

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Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm asssuming he played an ogre to level 10 and had 5 skill in channeling, and failed his spell every time he got bashed because his channeling sucked.

I'm often able to cast through 2-3 unslowed mobs, even without my back on the wall.

As suspected, Malrubius has no idea what he is talking about, and people who say FSI is meaningless are simply trying to rationalize their lack of it.

Thank you Urrsa.

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My pleasure.

Here's a few samples:

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[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast hits YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:16 2014] You resist the Disease Cloud spell!
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 17:58:01 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:05 2014] A scorn banshee hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:06 2014] A scorn banshee bashes YOU for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 18:10:38 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] You have healed Ginfizzie for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] You begin casting Malo.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] King Tranix pet hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix pet bashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] You feel your lifeforce drain away. You have taken 27 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 59 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:05 2014] King Tranix bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 124 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix pet tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] Urrsa has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:11:42 2014] You begin casting Paralyzing Earth.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior bashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Your Paralyzing Earth spell has worn off.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 74 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior kicks YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:45 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:42 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 103 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A loathling lich slices YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] You resist the Gravity Flux spell!
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 111 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Sat Feb 28 13:16:10 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav kicks YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 200 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 144 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 176 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 160 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You haven't recovered yet...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You can't use that command right now...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight bashes YOU for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] Your legs feel weak.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:10 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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Edit: It's worth noting any of these regular melee attacks could have also been stuns (kicks too)

[Clark]

Ogre. Troll isn't as bad PVE, however, Troll is horrible for pvp with the terrible innate fire resist.

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Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre. Troll isn't as bad PVE, however, Troll is horrible for pvp with the terrible innate fire resist.

I've played troll and ogre to >lv50 and will never roll a troll or iksar shaman for PVE. the regen seems frivolous when you can torp for 300/tic and gain mana. (granted that is late-game, but I enjoy the late-game)

[Clark]

For sure Torpor is where it's at. If Ogre wasn't a choice though I'd pick Troll.