Question about item camp handoffs

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too many holes in derubaels rule. What's to stop someone from having a list of 200 people that are in their guild every time they have a camp? If person 1 "can't come" ( isn't online), then move to person 2. Rinse and repeat until you find someone to come take over.

And for people saying that whoever is waiting at the camp would get to take over if no one on the list could come, often there is no way of knowing if the sought after item dropped. There's also a very low chance that the next spawn or two will have the rare mob along with the rare drop, so in reality someone on the list has an hour or so to get over there, with no one the wiser.

Someone could also exploit the technicality of having to leave the camp after the item dropped by appending themselves onto the new list (have a rotating door of two or three people). Most camps take so long to drop the rare item that whoever is sitting there waiting is very unlikely to wait until 1-3 rare items drop, so no one will realize this is happening.

No. If you are asked if you have a list you are required to respond with a name or forfeit the camp when you leave. You cannot change the next person on the list, this is a forfeiture of the camp when you leave. The person next on the list is required to be there "soon" after the PH spawns. The person holding the camp is responsible for the list after assuming the camp. If they cannot provide a name and a toon to replace them, it defaults to the first in line at the camp physically.

Why people would want to spend this much time on a 15 year old game making lists and waiting in line is beyond me. But it is what it is I guess.

[Nimmanu]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol if sky corpsing was well known then my whole server never knew about it. Long time i remember guilds having weekend long Plane of Sky raids and camping out in sky between the raids...Just cause something existed or was even known doesnt mean it was known to everyone.

It was known about... it was a bannable offense and a lot of GMs would hang out and watch to make sure it didn't happen. They were very specific in those days about what was a "game breaking exploit" and were extremely hard on it. They would have cracked down (and hard) on anyone who did this.

[Fame]

Fight them for the camp, oh wait..

[toolshed]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too many holes in derubaels rule. What's to stop someone from having a list of 200 people that are in their guild every time they have a camp? If person 1 "can't come" ( isn't online), then move to person 2. Rinse and repeat until you find someone to come take over.

And for people saying that whoever is waiting at the camp would get to take over if no one on the list could come, often there is no way of knowing if the sought after item dropped. There's also a very low chance that the next spawn or two will have the rare mob along with the rare drop, so in reality someone on the list has an hour or so to get over there, with no one the wiser.

Someone could also exploit the technicality of having to leave the camp after the item dropped by appending themselves onto the new list (have a rotating door of two or three people). Most camps take so long to drop the rare item that whoever is sitting there waiting is very unlikely to wait until 1-3 rare items drop, so no one will realize this is happening.

Finally, someone that understands.

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. If you are asked if you have a list you are required to respond with a name or forfeit the camp when you leave. You cannot change the next person on the list, this is a forfeiture of the camp when you leave. The person next on the list is required to be there "soon" after the PH spawns. The person holding the camp is responsible for the list after assuming the camp. If they cannot provide a name and a toon to replace them, it defaults to the first in line at the camp physically.

Why people would want to spend this much time on a 15 year old game making lists and waiting in line is beyond me. But it is what it is I guess.

Laughing my fucking ass off at the bolded part. #451 of P99's-unwritten-rules

This never happens. Great in practice, but the person poop socking a camp for an item is going to take whatever advantage they can to get more loot, so not responding to tells is one of the ways they do that.

And I totally agree 100% with the last sentence; this is why my suggestion makes the most sense. There are no lists: you have to be there physically with your character or you forfeit the camp. Simple, easy, hard to exploit.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally, someone that understands.



Laughing my fucking ass off at the bolded part. #451 of P99's-unwritten-rules

This never happens. Great in practice, but the person poop socking a camp for an item is going to take whatever advantage they can to get more loot, so not responding to tells is one of the ways they do that.

And I totally agree 100% with the last sentence; this is why my suggestion makes the most sense. There are no lists: you have to be there physically with your character or you forfeit the camp. Simple, easy, hard to exploit.

The point is, that you can show logs that prove that you asked for a list and they ignored you. If they ignore you, then the person who shows up that was on the secret list would have 0 claim to the camp, so you are free to take the camp. Yes it seems to me that this would be a huge headache and inevitably the staff would have to get involved. But, there is really no other way to enforce a rule like this.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. If you are asked if you have a list you are required to respond with a name or forfeit the camp when you leave. You cannot change the next person on the list, this is a forfeiture of the camp when you leave. The person next on the list is required to be there "soon" after the PH spawns. The person holding the camp is responsible for the list after assuming the camp. If they cannot provide a name and a toon to replace them, it defaults to the first in line at the camp physically.

Why people would want to spend this much time on a 15 year old game making lists and waiting in line is beyond me. But it is what it is I guess.

i don't think you understood my post. to get around this, you can throw a ton of your friends on the list. people on the list aren't required to be online, and if even they are, you can just add everyone in your guild that's currently online.

also, just as you're not required to respond to a CC in /ooc or /shout, you're not required to respond to tells from someone asking for the list. you can simply not respond. if there is no way for the person waiting to know which item you're after, or if the item you're after has dropped, then there really is no way to enforce this.

this shows why your statement saying that your replacement has to be there "soon" after the PH spawns is irrelevant. "soon" relative to what? there's absolutely no way to know when a person got what they came for, excepting maybe mobs that drop a rare weapon. but even that's iffy (mob that drops a t-staff holding a fine steel staff).

[indiscriminate_hater]

also, logs can be doctored on both sides pretty easily, so that doesn't prove shit

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't think you understood my post. to get around this, you can throw a ton of your friends on the list. people on the list aren't required to be online, and if even they are, you can just add everyone in your guild that's currently online.

also, just as you're not required to respond to a CC in /ooc or /shout, you're not required to respond to tells from someone asking for the list. you can simply not respond. if there is no way for the person waiting to know which item you're after, or if the item you're after has dropped, then there really is no way to enforce this.

this shows why your statement saying you say that your replacement has to be there "soon" after the PH spawns is irrelevant. "soon" relative to what? there's absolutely no way to know when a person got what they came for, excepting maybe mobs that drop a rare weapon. but even that's iffy (mob that drops a t-staff holding a fine steel staff).

Ok.

[baalzy]

Am I the only one reading Derubael's explanation of getting added to a list along with him saying people can't use lore item corpsing to indefinitely hold a camp and thinking: How is this a 'long established' rule? I've never once seen a general chat or rant&rave thread where this was mentioned.

I think they're good rules, but they're either recently made or have pretty much never been enforced.

[Whyt]

Question... What happens if you go LD (say at the AC camp in OOT) and come back right away but there is another person on list waiting right there ... Is that still your camp? Or could they take it from you ??? just curious.