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Yes, it promotes "competition" 75 29.18%
No, its an unneccesary non-classic time sink 182 70.82%
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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All great plans. I would say disclose the simulated patch when it happens no warning before hand. It would allow for more skill in mobilizing your guild and getting to targets needed in order to actually get them.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:37 PM
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I also think that Spaceman's method of the 2% flat spawn rate per hour, or whatever it should be to exactly match the probability of each raid target spawning over a longer period of time, has approximately a 100% chance to alleviate poopsocking completely.

Unfortunately, that does not remove the advantages that larger guilds already have with Variance and Tracking, leaving us with an unClassic solution that doesn't adequately address the core issues with raiding.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:04 AM
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The only real solution is a GM enforced rotation. If you want competition, there's a pvp server for you to play on.

GM enforced raid rotations make this shit bearable for anyone with any semblance of a real life. Once a guilld breaks it, they eat raid suspensions for a few months. After awhile the players will take over and GM intervention should rarely be needed.

Everyone wins, and only the most selfish and greedy players on the box lose.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:34 AM
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Lol how would removing variance do anything to help eliminate poopsocking? If anything make it weird variance like one week mob has +/- 12 hour window, then the following week it should have a different random variance like +/- 48 hours (or 24,36...whatever) my point is if every mob had a different random window every week poopsocking would be pointless.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:43 AM
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Also -- fte shouts would be cool and so would random repops. Still don't see any of these things from preventing socking though. VS is currently being socked by TMO and he isn't even 20 HOURS into a 96 hour window. TMO has killed vs more then the other guilds on p99 combined yet still feel the need to sock. I don't see this changing in velious without drastic extreme changes which alter the raid scene completely, forced on p99 by gms or by alliance against TMO.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:02 AM
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Most of us actually support this extended variance thing, and by most i mean TMO...its a great idea. I personally hate sitting at the screen tapping 4-5 over and over and over and over and over and over and over again....all the while my GF is bitching at me, She thinks its the stupidiest thing ever.

All the while taunting the shit out of me...flashing me dancing around naked, but thats when i say fuck it...leave the song on and do what i gotta do.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:08 AM
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:45 AM
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Cheers to you Nilbog!

-FTE shout/confirmation system will change the game so much for the better. You engage with 20? well you better be able to kill it. As it is, when you have 100+ people poopsocking a target everyone (BDA/FE/TMO... insert random guild) dps's to the max in hope of winning. You add "oh xx guild has it" everyone else backs off, in the hopes of watching the other guild fail. GM's win, Guild's win.

We have beaten this horse to death about 100 times. Need we do 101?
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:55 AM
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Everything else is awesome by the way, and I can't wait for it (The Rogean summary) to happen!
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:57 AM
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im actually kind of serious about making the variance huge. Think about it. That + simulated patch days and FTE text could make a big difference.

If you have a +/- 120 hr variance on each mob you may actually solve the problem.

No point in socking unless theres 8 or fewer hours left in window, and with such a large variance the chances of that happening are not very big.

Idk, maybe i'm just an idiot and its 6 am and im tired, but it makes sense to me, and since we already have a variance, we might as well have a variance that works.

I really don' think shortening the variance is going to make any difference at all... think about it... people will sock even more if theres less time on the timer....
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