Raid Changes

[karsten]

that's an interesting theory that i've never heard or talked about before


but i digress

[Maximus]

They have, asshole, the leadership of Divinity and now Gothic Circle have both said they want to scrap it out and take what's theirs.

Then let them agree here, and we can all come to an appeasement. Also lets hear from the rest of server, as everyone is going to want to raid at some point. Its not my world, its not your world. settle with that fact.

You can try to make it seem like it was Inglourious Basterds that had the raid system changed ALL YOU WANT buddy, but some of us have an alternate view of history.

Nizzarr, of inglorious basterds, did come up with the spawn variance, and while this would work in a perfect world, Norrath is not one.

I seem to remember a day when raid bosses were NOT REGULATED by any rules except KS. There was no firm camp policy, there was no such thing. I seem to remember a certain guild thinking - for no apparent reason - that just because they put ass to floor for 24 hours, that that somehow entitled them to claim on a boss that hadn't even spawned yet.

if your only rule is to KS, instead of settling like real people, then there is PVP for you. while i don't think KSing, leapfrogging, asshatery is the best way to settle a kill, i would 100% say ANYONE would rather have this than the POSSIBILITY of cheating, hacking, blah blah. and if you guys have nothing to worry about, then whats the big deal? im saving you 4 day guessing camping useless zones.

The GM ruled in Transcendence's favor, for WHATEVER REASON, but that does NOT FUCKING IMPLY that the rules were like that in the first place. You fucking moron.

GMs ruled in favor of whatever they saw fit for the situation. if you're implying GM favoritism, then you're still months behind, and possibly a few brain cells short.
smoke more, or smoke less, stop being a halfass stoner.
Mythoxxus

[Taluvill]

IB and you guys Whined and cried because we could camp a mob for a long time. Big whoop. So you almost trained/killed us/KS'ed us because you guys decided the rules didn't apply to you. I specifically remember Wenai saying that. They changed to a rotation because you guys were going overboard.


An entire guild cannot be in, now, 4 zones at once with 6 boss mobs, nor can any single guild camp 6 bosses (assuming that you can only call one boss at a time) for 24 hours every day of the week. It just isnt happening.

If people want to camp, everyone can strategically decided what 2-3 mobs are worth their time that week, and go after them. Using a normal, classic system, Guilds like Gothic Circle or Europa can have a shot at mobs with camping.

If a guild camps a mob for a week, they aren't getting other spawns artard. So if they want to really waste their ENTIRE week (meaning they have no job/wife/anything to do) on one mob, then they can.



Bring back regular spawns with set camping rules (IE: Must have 20 Present at the encounter to claim it. You then move out to a pull spot when your about 30 minutes from the pop, buff and get ready, it pops, it dies)

And i would like to hear the opinion of another guild other than IB trying to drown out an idea that they disagree with. Lets hear all sides. If GC and Div and company would rather keep it the way it is... with 3 am dragon raids that 99% of the server cant attend or even attempt to kill (its 10 years later, not everyone is 18. I am, but most people here aren't and didnt play this game when they were 8) because of what i just mentioned in parenthesis, and because they have jobs, families, kids...



Just a bunch of stuff to think about. What Myth said is 100% true.

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah Nizzarr came up with it, I know that. I snapped at him hella hard over that. If you remember, I had several OTHER ideas.

The fact that Nizzarr wrote the framework for the current system has NOTHING to do with the fact that NILBOG implemented it. Moron.

KS is a SERVER rule. The only SERVER rule that covered the Nagafen situation that night. That you're implying it's somehow my rule is cute. You're cute.

Not implying GM favoritism dude. Not implying anything. I threw my hands up in the air as to the "why" of that (and many other) situations a long time ago.

[karsten]

talu your opinion is also valid along with that of mythoxxus and I value them both greatly due to their unbiased style and concise flow of thought-process

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then let them agree here, and we can all come to an appeasement. Also lets hear from the rest of server, as everyone is going to want to raid at some point. Its not my world, its not your world. settle with that fact.



Nizzarr, of inglorious basterds, did come up with the spawn variance, and while this would work in a perfect world, Norrath is not one.


if your only rule is to KS, instead of settling like real people, then there is PVP for you.


GMs ruled in favor of whatever they saw fit for the situation. if you're implying GM favoritism, then you're still months behind, and possibly a few brain cells short.
smoke more, or smoke less, stop being a halfass stoner.
Mythoxxus

Myth. I love you dude.

if your only rule is to KS, instead of settling like real people, then there is PVP for you.

Look at Nilbogs Signigture. This is exactly what he doesnt want.

GMs ruled in favor of whatever they saw fit for the situation. if you're implying GM favoritism, then you're still months behind, and possibly a few brain cells short.
smoke more, or smoke less, stop being a halfass stoner.

Where did that tinfoil hat go? time for Hasbin to wear it again.

[karsten]

oh, also, I'm glad that we can finally have a nuanced, civil talk about this important issue, and I'm certain that real change will be the fruit of our labor

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

talu your opinion is also valid along with that of mythoxxus and I value them both greatly due to their unbiased style and concise flow of thought-process

How is it biased when only IB gets raid mobs at the moment?

I believe we speak for most of the server here. I think you guys jumped on and got all on the defensive because if this goes through, you guys will not get every single boss that ever spawns.

Turn off /greed and stop being jackasses and look at the situation from an outsiders point of view:

We have 30 people that don't jobs, real lives, girls(ouch), school, or whatever it may be for your particular situation. EQ is your priority in life and you guys make it that way. This band of 30 adventurers gets every major boss spawn, raid target, or what have you, on a daily basis, with raids happening anywhere from 3pm to 3am because this group can sport 30 at a raid at any point in the day or any section of the week.

If you dont think THAT is biased, look in the mirror.

[Dukat]

Karsten I can interview you to join Trans if you want

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Dukat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Karsten I can interview you to join Trans if you want

We are actually recruiting palidans. Go Barthorn!