Raid Changes

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Dukat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Myth has a valid point, and this isn't the place for a flame war. Why don't you guys go back to R&F, grown folk are trying to communicate.

well that's not true, as zithax so eloquently put. I shall repeat it for you and bold it all up, hasbinstyle:

Originally Posted by Zithax

Hey so like, why didn't you guys post this thread when the rotation was implemented instead of months after the variance system has been in place? Seriously. You can't answer this question legitimately so don't even try

so, yeah. so i just make fun of you guys instead, it's an endeavor that i find more fruitful and I think if seen from this perspective you'd agree

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well that's not true, as zithax so eloquently put. I shall repeat it for you and bold it all up, hasbinstyle:

Spawn time variance leads to a unforeseen vulnerability to third party programs. Please don't misconstrue my argument, I am not saying IB is hacking in any way shape or form. I'm actually speaking in the interest of all of us, who knows what guild might elect to abuse these programs and take the spawns you guys dedicate so much time to finding?

It's actually kind of interesting how much protest this thread is generating. Really, a strong guild like you guys should be all about a more direct form of competition.

[Kuldiin]

There are some people here who should be limited to the R&F section.

I wonder how many people are put off playing here when they read your trolling and garbage in the general section.

Notice how so few people have bothered to comment in this thread, yet its a topic no doubt many would like to be contributing in and having their say?

[karsten]

you people think we have a dedicated linux box in order to hack this server so hard that we know things that even rogean has mentioned not having info on. and then you turn around and want to be taken seriously.

sooooooo, once again, refer back to this:

Originally Posted by Zithax

Hey so like, why didn't you guys post this thread when the rotation was implemented instead of months after the variance system has been in place? Seriously. You can't answer this question legitimately so don't even try

[karsten]

people aren't posting on it because A: it's late and B: it's a stupid topic that really only warrants troll posts.

[Dukat]

I would be very interested to hear a guild besides IB's thoughts on this topic.

[Hasbinbad]

Hi pals.

Some of you have expressed the view that people have come to this thread and flamed where flaming was not warranted. I posit that the replies which might be viewed as inflammatory were warranted because the OP is in fact a flame post. Below is a compilation of direct quotes from the OP, where they imply that they (transcenduh) are angels, and that we (IB) are devils. Please, after reading this, tell me - no, seriously, PLEASE TELL ME - how this is NOT a flame post?

**WARNING - WALL OF TEXT**

(also, i do not take credit for punctuation errors in this post. There is.. ..too much)

Nothing in this set of quotes is repeated, I quote each individual thing as I go down the list, and any repetition is directly from the OP.

They can couch their idiocy in whatever disclaimers they want, we all know that a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

infamous Spawn Variance.

Right off the bat, Maxipad is using emotional language to indicate that Nilbog's system is somehow evil. i.e. "They are devils."

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Upon the opening of raid scene on the P1999 server, standard rules were followed as they were back on classic EQ.

"We're angels."
Even tho Trans wasn't RAIDING upon the opening of the raid scene on p99, this fucktard thinks he has some kind of right to chime in on how it was way back when. He implies that everything was ideal, a veritable pastoral scene of a simpler time before the evil empire.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

using the strategy of camping a mob 1 day before it spawned to acquire security on that mob.

"We're angels."
He implies that somehow making up rules is valid, and that the "acquired" security on the mob by said making up of rules.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PROBLEMS: guilds who felt wronged by this show of endurance, AKA camping, resorted to classical strategies of training, leapfrogging, asshatery.

This is pretty obvious, but just to be clear this is a "We're angels, they're devils" combo in which he uses emotional language yet again.. implying that they did the right thing, causing us to "feel wronged," as if we gave a fuck. ..implying that camping is a rule again - that they had endurance and we didn't or something? More like wasted time and a desperate attempt to grab at anything.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whining about how camping a mob was NON skilled

Here with an obvious "they're devils" comment, how is this NOT a rant again?

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whining about camping seemed to be the problem

"they're devils"

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we are all aware that third party software exists and hackers are not unheard of.

"They're devils."
There's butthurt, and then there's "my butt is thoroughly in pain."
For this OBVIOUS implication, you fall into the latter category.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

although it was not as severe

"They're devils." Implying that hacks here are more rampant than on live. I mean, seriously? LMAO., since something like spawn variance did not exist.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS AT ANYONE

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Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as any of us could be guilty of using such software

"We're angels / they're devils" combo.
Obviously, they are not implicating themselves, GEE I WONDER WHO THEY COULD BE TALKING ABOUT???

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the use of outside help, cheating to acquire a certain edge over raid encounters

ditto

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to some, a show of competition

It's the "to some" that I find cute.
"they're devils"

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training, leapfrogging, asshatery.

"they're devils"

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competitive and fair according to sony, the bringers of Everquest.

Implying that variance is not competitive and fair.
"they're devils"

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third party software threats like showeq and macroquest= low, if any.

Begging the question "where is the threat high?" with the obvious implication that there is a high threat on p99 because IB hax.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No camping of mobs (Loss of competitive edge)

"We're angels"
Notice how he disregards the competitive nature of the current system.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training, leapfrogging, asshatery removed (mostly).

"They're devils."

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third party software threats like showeq and macroquest= present, but low (tiki hehe) douche.

"They're devils"
Rehashing of a long dead issue involving a single bad apple who we reported, was given another shot by staff and let back in the guild with a stipulation of compliance, which, when broken, was enforced and Tiki was ostracized from our community.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping mobs ( to some, a show of competition, endurance)

"We're angels."
The only way they can compete is their way??

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training, leapfrogging, asshatery.

"they're devils"

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competitive edge is back, but fairness....

"they're devils"
..by not being fair apparently. The funny thing is that multiple guilds have beaten us to mobs. This is undoubtedly the most fair system we've used so far.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third Party software threats like showeq and macroquest=HIGH

"they're devils"
obvious troll is obvious

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not gonna point any fingers, as i dont wanna go through the trolling of PROVIDE INFO, PICS BLAH BLAH...

"they're devils"
obvious implication here, GEE i wonder who their talking about NOW?? lol

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but if you GMs wanna promote competition and fairness in this good game of ours, please remove the spawn variance

"we're angels"
obviously because they espouse "fairness" (aka the way they want it) lol

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

let it go back to its classical roots of normal everquest spawns

Yeah.. normal rules.. classic rules.
That would be "Don't KS."
..which would suit US just fine!!!

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF CAMPING MOBS is not skilled and was what we were trying tofix initially, we haven't, and gone right back to camping with the new system

LoL, this is worthy of another thread damn near.
YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING THAT THIS SYSTEM IS WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY AND THEN ASKING THAT WE CHANGE IT BY GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOUR BRAIN?

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF PROMOTING FAIRNESS IF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, we have done the opposite

"they're devils"
Dey tuk ar jawbs!!
The fact that Divinity has beaten us to spawns several times, and even Fish Bait got the jump on us leads me to believe something very different than what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

left a wide open door for third party software use.

"they're devils"
obvious troll..

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF AVOIDING TRAINING, LEAPFROGGING, ASSHATERY is what the goal was, it hasn't worked perfectly, and its something that can only be settled between players ingame.

"they're devils"
(are you tired of this yet? how about now? now?)

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF PROMOTING COMPETITION is what we were looking for, well, we're not any more competitive camping mobs now than we were at the beginning.

"We're angels"
and if it's not our way, it must be demonic!! WITCH!!

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sure gathering a force at 3 in the morning is impressive (maybe)

"they're devils"
and also unimpressive devils.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but i think its much more competitive for a team of 20 or so to outstrategize two or possibly three other forces to acquire the kill on a dragon

"we're angels"
and if it's not focused on camping something for 10+ hours, it's not competitive

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

would classical rules of everquest RID of the threat of unskilled advantages over a 10 year old game? hell yes.

"they're devils"
Oh yeah, we're totally unskilled. Lawl.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF YOU WANNA PROMOTE FAIRNESS AND COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE SPAWN VARIANCE, AS IT IS NOT CLASSIC AND LEAVES A WIDE OPEN DOOR FOR CHEATING.

Same old bullshit.
"we're angels" coz their way is fair, and "they're devils" coz we hax'd teh Gibson.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NO MORE BABYSITTING FROM THE GMs

Oh, and btw, Nilbog babysits me.

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LET THE BEST GUILD LIVE, AND THRIVE, FAIRLY, AND COMPETITIVELY.

I think "best" is kind of a judgement call. I think any guild that lives up to it's current potential while keeping true to a set of standards and ethics is "the best" guild. IB does that on a certain level, Divinity does that on a certain level, GC does that on a certain level. I haven't seen FB in action enough to determine how they are going to end up, but they seem to have some skilled players with a decent amount of smarts. In fact, the only guild not living up to their potential is Transcendence. In fact, the only guild currently having serious ethical issues to the point where MOST OF THE GOOD PLAYERS IN THE GUILD HAVE LEFT for greener pastures is Transcendence.

You guys are a dead guild. You're a withered shadow of your prior self, and even your best leaders have abandoned you. What the future holds, only the Flying Spaghetti Monster knows, but ya'll ain't about shit but bitching and moaning right about now.


Wololo shouts, 'You feel as if you're about to fail.'

[Dukat]

Wow, TLDR. Somebody mute that guy.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Dukat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, TLDR. Somebody mute that guy.

Of course you didn't read, that would be asking WAY too much of you.
(it's ok Dukat, just have Bayer read it to you later)

[Co114p53]

Originally Posted by Dukat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would be very interested to hear a guild besides IB's thoughts on this topic.

This.

I see a lot of garble of the same shit reworded, i mean how many times can you twist words and gloat/bag about:

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

30 people that don't jobs, real lives, girls(ouch), school

I mean how can you brag about that shit, and flame others at the same time? it's utterly embarrassing, yet making yourself look like a fool. Furthermore promoting that you have no life at age 30, or whatever age you may be, mooching off of mom and dad, living in their basement, fapping while you wait camping the same raid target over and over again. in the mean time your being greedy and don't give others a chance to enjoy the game.

/vote WITH the original poster.

Competition yes, how raiding is now, hell no. It needs to be classic orientated, just as Maximus said.