Trakanon Rotation

[ElanoraBryght]

Vesica Dei has been attempting for a week to begin talks towards re-establishing a Trakanon Rotation.

The proposed rotation would be a 3 spot rotation :
TMO
VD
Open

During the "open" spot, anyone besides TMO and VD would have whatever time window TMO and VD get for their own spots in the rotation (previously it's been 6 hours) to attempt a kill without needing to poopsock / race against us. Guilds could work together, or try alone, or an open raid could form for it.

While it's no secret that I'm also attempting to get another VP rotation established, the Trak rotation would not be tied to VP, Ragefire, or anything else. I just sincerely believe the current "competition" is being taken to ridiculous levels.

Zeelot has so far refused to have any discussion about it at all. I'm still open to talk to him of course, and hope he will eventually change his mind. And since he's determined to keep the door of private communication shut, I'm making the offer publicly.

Non-troll feedback and suggestions are welcome.

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vesica Dei has been attempting for a week to begin talks towards re-establishing a Trakanon Rotation.

The proposed rotation would be a 3 spot rotation :
TMO
VD
Open

During the "open" spot, anyone besides TMO and VD would have whatever time window TMO and VD get for their own spots in the rotation (previously it's been 6 hours) to attempt a kill without needing to poopsock / race against us. Guilds could work together, or try alone, or an open raid could form for it.

While it's no secret that I'm also attempting to get another VP rotation established, the Trak rotation would not be tied to VP, Ragefire, or anything else. I just sincerely believe the current "competition" is being taken to ridiculous levels.

Zeelot has so far refused to have any discussion about it at all. I'm still open to talk to him of course, and hope he will eventually change his mind. And since he's determined to keep the door of private communication shut, I'm making the offer publicly.

Non-troll feedback and suggestions are welcome.

bump, for people hopefully coming together to make this server fun again.

[Fountree]

I can't speak for Zee or our leadership, but frankly your guild's actions in the past week have most likely destroyed any chance of good relations with us, let alone a rotation.

[Lazortag]

I can smell my epic already.

[ElanoraBryght]

It was asked in another thread if there had been sincere attempts made by VD to discuss a VP rotation.

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To my knowledge, VD did not approach TMO in a serious diplomatic fashion to discuss VP.

I've reached out to him several times.

[Sun Feb 26 18:42:44 2012] You told zeelot, 'would you like to discuss a rotation for Trak / VP tonight?'
[Sun Feb 26 18:43:04 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'No thanks'

[Tue Feb 28 00:31:56 2012] You told zeelot, 'would you like to talk about a rotation tonight?'
[Tue Feb 28 00:32:27 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'Well we're currently not interested in a rotation. We want to see how things play out for now'

[Wed Feb 29 03:04:41 2012] You told zeelot, 'hi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] would you like to talk about a Trak / VP rotaion tonight?'
(no answer)

[falkun]

Sadly Giegue, guts aren't dropping yet, or they haven't yet in all the trak's since the Epic patch.

Originally Posted by Loly Taa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, at this point- TMO is more willing to rotate VP with Taken/BDA/Divinity than VD

Loly = TMO Officer; if TMO wants to do what their leadership says they want to do, they should agree to this.

It sucks that VD has had to get down in the mud with TMO to allow the rest of the server to get onto a rotation system, but if that's what it takes, then I'm glad we did it.

Let's get Taken/BDA/Divinity some trak's teeth so that they may join you in a rotation in VP!

And before you start thinking you can exclude VD from a rotation agreement, think about how a Trak rotation would go if VD made it alone with Taken/BDA/Divinity. Would TMO honestly not interfere?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Rotations are generally created when it is in the rotating guild’s interests to do so. Very rarely, if ever, are they fully motivated by altruism. Each guild will zealously look out for its own interests as it should. TMO needs a lot of teeth still, and this is probably the biggest reason we’re not currently overly interested in a rotation. Notice that TMO only began rotating with IB when it was getting roughly half or slightly more of the Traks.

It’s decision theory. That said, eventually TMO would probably agree to a rotation when it appears in the guild’s interests. TMO is, overall, interested in being a reasonable and valuable portion of the community. But, the first responsibility is to the membership. While I appreciate the idea of an open slot on the rotation, accepting that when so many members still need teeth and other drops, would violate the duty the guild owes its members.

In regards to the quotes of Zeelot from Coldblooded, I meant to say in my original post that “I don’t think VD reached out BEFORE the training and such began a week or two ago.” I used the idea of “good faith” negotiation in my post. Please try to understand that, from TMO’s perspective, trying to negotiate right now in light of the VP activities is probably not going to feel like good faith. To TMO at least. That said, I’ll relegate that discussion to that thread.

EDIT: Ragefire was agreed to and respected. Yes, we had people in the lair. There was significant and heated debate within the guild, and the efforts to persuade others to respect the Ragefire rotation were immense and contentious. Please don't bring that us here as it will add nothing. TMO has decided to respect that. Please don't undo the difficult work it took to ensure that. Thank you.

To both TMO and VD in this thread, whatever we might feel is true and justified, or the right thing to say, let's use a bit of judgment before we say anything we KNOW will provoke the other side. Right or wrong, this is not the place to hash out our grievances.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations are generally created when it is in the rotating guild’s interests to do so. Very rarely, if ever, are they fully motivated by altruism. Each guild will zealously look out for its own interests as it should. TMO needs a lot of teeth still, and this is probably the biggest reason we’re not currently overly interested in a rotation. Notice that TMO only began rotating with IB when it was getting roughly half or slightly more of the Traks.

It’s decision theory. That said, eventually TMO would probably agree to a rotation when it appears in the guild’s interests. TMO is, overall, interested in being a reasonable and valuable portion of the community. But, the first responsibility is to the membership. While I appreciate the idea of an open slot on the rotation, accepting that when so many members still need teeth and other drops, would violate the duty the guild owes its members.

In regards to the quotes of Zeelot from Coldblooded, I meant to say in my original post that “I don’t think VD reached out BEFORE the training and such began a week or two ago.” I used the idea of “good faith” negotiation in my post. Please try to understand that, from TMO’s perspective, trying to negotiate right now in light of the VP activities is probably not going to feel like good faith. To TMO at least. That said, I’ll relegate that discussion to that thread.

EDIT: Ragefire was agreed to and respected. Yes, we had people in the lair. There was significant and heated debate within the guild, and the efforts to persuade others to respect the Ragefire rotation were immense and contentious. Please don't bring that us here as it will add nothing. TMO has decided to respect that. Please don't undo the difficult work it took to ensure that. Thank you.

To both TMO and VD in this thread, whatever we might feel is true and justified, or the right thing to say, let's use a bit of judgment before we say anything we KNOW will provoke the other side. Right or wrong, this is not the place to hash out our grievances.

Good post. For the record, Zeelot has been approached by Coldblooded prior to their suspension and everyday since it was lifted concerning talking about a rotation.

It took IB / TMO a few hours of griefing each other to come to rotation agreement.

VD entered VP while TMO was suspended. They had secret knowledge their suspension was going to be lifted early. They raid interfered us out as it is allowed in VP. We have only returned the favor by raid interfering with them.
Trains became memblurs overtime because of its simplicity. To say one raid interference is better than another is absurd.

Raid interference is raid interference.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trains became memblurs overtime because of its simplicity.

I really can't believe people are openly supporting a game exploit in the server forum.

[Raavak]

Making a private discussion public is the wrong way to go about it. You're asking for non-troll feedback, but that's really what you're asking for. Only the TMO guildleader can give you the feedback you are asking for.

And like Fountree said, blatant organized exploitation by your guild is not working in your favor.