Popular Camp Rules On Non Lore Drops

[yuchant]

Hey team,

I've been camping AC, gotten into a few list troubles that have required parsing logs, figuring out who's right etc., oh my god it's stressful.

New question: the camp rules section states you are done camping the mob if you get your drop.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones,
 but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. 
If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) 
you are done camping that mob.

Does this apply to non lore desirable items in hugely camped spots like AC in Guk? He drops the Gator Leggings. The past 4 people here have camped it and gotten 2,3 each.

I would do the same - is that legal? If not, how would it even be noticed?

[fadetree]

Did someone contest your camp? Was there someone waiting nearby that could reasonably take over the camp and they had informed you they are waiting? If not, then I think your'e fine. If so...well I dunno about gator legs being that kind of item....I mean they are good legs but they aren't in the same category to me as AC ring and Manastone/Guise are. I guess if you had someone waiting then you should swap out with them just on general principles.

[yuchant]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did someone contest your camp? Was there someone waiting nearby that could reasonably take over the camp and they had informed you they are waiting? If not, then I think your'e fine. If so...well I dunno about gator legs being that kind of item....I mean they are good legs but they aren't in the same category to me as AC ring and Manastone/Guise are. I guess if you had someone waiting then you should swap out with them just on general principles.

Yeah, there's always a line that spans the day. People camp here like 10 hours minimum. Some last guy did 30.

Everyone camps this spot until they are unable to and grabs as many legs as they can. So... guess it's legit.

[fadetree]

OH yes if other people are grabbing mult legs then screw them. It's a good exp camp too for some levels so it really falls under the traditional camp rules. If you can keep it down, you own it. There's reasons besides the legs to camp there, and it sounds like there is no /list in play, so...no problem.

[yuchant]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OH yes if other people are grabbing mult legs then screw them. It's a good exp camp too for some levels so it really falls under the traditional camp rules. If you can keep it down, you own it. There's reasons besides the legs to camp there, and it sounds like there is no /list in play, so...no problem.

Honestly, it works against me - most people here don't get XP. I get HUGE XP right now from this spawn. The crocs don't aggro so I can take em out super fast and safe.

It does sound like it's like a " is the item valuable enough to warrant 1x per" and the answer is no.

BTW /list is only for 3 items right? Today.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by yuchant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does sound like it's like a " is the item valuable enough to warrant 1x per" and the answer is no.

BTW /list is only for 3 items right? Today.

As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with value in the "how much does it sell in EC?" sense, and everything to do with value in the "does someone else want the camp?" sense.

If someone else wants the camp and you get the item, you have to give up the camp. Period. You can try and rules lawyer all you want, but the intent of the rules seems 100% clear to me. But those same rules also apply in reverse: you can take the camp back after they get the item.

If this is an issue, you should really pick an XP camp that isn't a desired treasure camp.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with value in the "how much does it sell in EC?" sense, and everything to do with value in the "does someone else want the camp?" sense.

If someone else wants the camp and you get the item, you have to give up the camp. Period. You can try and rules lawyer all you want, but the intent of the rules seems 100% clear to me. But those same rules also apply in reverse: you can take the camp back after they get the item.

If this is an issue, you should really pick an XP camp that isn't a desired treasure camp.

I don't think this is right. 'Desired treasure camp'? Isn't all treasure desired by definition? If he's holding it down, he has the camp. What about camps that have multiple drops that might be 'desired'. Which one triggers the 'you have to go now' mechanic? Can I roll up to you and claim that I am camping that silver piece you just got, so you have to leave now? Or the leather boots? Incoming large post from Loramin.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think this is right. 'Desired treasure camp'? Isn't all treasure desired by definition? If he's holding it down, he has the camp. What about camps that have multiple drops that might be 'desired'. Which one triggers the 'you have to go now' mechanic? Can I roll up to you and claim that I am camping that silver piece you just got, so you have to leave now? Or the leather boots? Incoming large post from Loramin.

When has the staff ever cared about the EC price of an item for any ruling they've ever made?

But look, to be clear none of this is in the Play Nice Policies. Camp Rules are not official server rules; they are just things GMs have said in the past. And I say this as the person who wrote the Camp Rules page (and put the giant warning in Red saying as much at the top).

So ultimately, as with anything not explicitly spelled out on the Play Nice Policies, there is no way to know for certain how a GM will decide to rule on it. Literally Menden could decide Bob has to give up the crocodile once he gets his leggings, and Llandris could decide Bob can keep the camp until he feels like leaving. That's how the rules work here.

But if you wanted to guess at what the staff would think, all you have to do is read what Derubael wrote and it seems clear to me (emphasis added):

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

[pirate23]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with value in the "how much does it sell in EC?" sense, and everything to do with value in the "does someone else want the camp?" sense.

If someone else wants the camp and you get the item, you have to give up the camp. Period. You can try and rules lawyer all you want, but the intent of the rules seems 100% clear to me. But those same rules also apply in reverse: you can take the camp back after they get the item.

If this is an issue, you should really pick an XP camp that isn't a desired treasure camp.

How do you know they got legs? Just because the named spawns doesn't mean he dropped them. ancient croc you stay as long as you want. AC spawns he auto has the ring, you leave.

[fadetree]

As far as I know.