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Old 10-26-2023, 03:16 PM
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I don't know anything about warriors but I want to roll a melee character to twink on a new server and warrior seems like a good choice because it can dps, tank and is useful in raids. I'm always going to be a chanter main but it's more fun to gear out a melee.

Obviously I'm tempted to go Ogre, especially with access to the guise of the deceiver. There's no getting around the FSI and then the great stats. So I'm interested in the other races. Is Barbarian warrior clearly the 3rd best option, or is slam vs. kick not that significant?

I also have a little question about religion, specifically on a barb. Any compelling or interesting reason to not go agnostic, keeping in mind I'll have a guise.
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Old 10-26-2023, 03:47 PM
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Monks a better choice for pretty much all the reasons you mentioned. If you’re set on raid tanking though FSI isn’t a huge deal since they fixed it a few years ago. If you plan to solo a lot troll is a good option for regen and also good stats. Slam has a higher skill cap than bash and kick and kick doesn’t stun until lvl 55
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Old 10-26-2023, 05:34 PM
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Definitely going with a war, not planning on soloing and the server pop is crazy now but I have some decent 'twink' gear to start like Rubicite BP, Executioner's Axe and SSOY. Will have some questions about gear later for anyone who wants to indulge me.
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Old 10-26-2023, 09:38 PM
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If you plan on using a guise you lose FSI and slam anyway. Pick what you like, you already have some of best gear you can currently get.
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Old 10-26-2023, 10:32 PM
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If you plan on using a guise you lose FSI and slam anyway. Pick what you like, you already have some of best gear you can currently get.
You sure about that? Thought guide retained FSI
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Old 10-27-2023, 03:05 AM
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Warriors are a great choice for a melee character, as they can deal decent damage, take a lot of hits, and be useful in any group or raid. They can also wear any type of armor and wield any type of weapon, which makes them easy to twink.

Ogre is definitely the best race for a warrior, as they have the highest strength, stamina, and FSI (Frontal Stun Immunity). FSI is very important for a tank, as it prevents you from being stunned by mobs that face you. Ogre also has the highest base HP and AC among all races.

The second best race for a warrior is Iksar, as they have the highest agility and innate AC bonus. Agility affects how often you dodge attacks, and AC affects how much damage you take. Iksar also has natural regeneration, which helps with downtime and survivability.

The third best race for a warrior is debatable, but I would say Barbarian is a good option. They have high strength and stamina, which affect your damage and HP. They also have slam, which is a special attack that can stun enemies. Slam is better than kick, as it can interrupt spell casting and give you more time to react.

As for religion, it doesn’t matter much for a warrior, as most of the gods are neutral or good. You can choose to be agnostic, which means you don’t worship any god and don’t have any faction penalties or benefits. You can also choose to worship Brell Serilis, the god of the underworld and the patron of dwarves and gnomes. Brell Serilis has some followers in Norrath, such as the Coldain dwarves and the Runnyeye goblins. You can also use your guise of the deceiver to change your appearance and faction temporarily.
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Old 11-04-2023, 05:15 PM
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Ogre also has the highest base HP and AC among all races.
This just isn't true, lol.

First, there's no real AC difference. AGI may change the amount of AC displayed, but it's negligible, and ogres are not going to be top AGI. Second, iksar will get a displayed AC bonus, but once again, it's also negligible.

Next, HP while leveling might be slightly higher, but at level 60, all warriors cap STA at 255 and wear the same gear, so stats are... say it with me now... negligible. The only exception is CHA.

At the end of the day, picking a race based on stats alone may make the game easier to start, but it will not matter by the time you're raiding. STR may make looting easier when you're collecting crushbone belts, but you will pretty much be capped on any melee character while grouped or raiding when you're 50+.

So there's really 3 things to consider:

1) Do you want to take advantage of stats/racials to make leveling easier? If so, pick troll, ogre, iksar.
2) Do you want to have access to skills that warriors otherwise would not have like sneak or castable haste? Pick halfling for sneak+hide, gnome for haste, dark elf for hide (lol), wood elf for wtforage.
3) Do you want to look a certain way? Being a large race sucks in a lot of places, so a cobalt bracer would be necessary. Having access to a guise helps offset the size problem, too, but they will not be readily available on every server.

There's no fault to picking any specific path, tho. they've all got their perks. Don't take shit from anybody else.

At the end of the day, the only person you have to answer to for your decision is yourself.
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Old 10-27-2023, 09:16 AM
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If you have moderate raiding goals an ogre will be easier to stam cap. Most our guild warrior bots are ogres for that reason. Bash immunity (FSI is misleading) really only helps with a shaman and SK. It might cost you a swing cycle. Being able to slam is very nice, mostly for leveling up. Kick at 55 is passable though since it can interupt casters.

Iksars are popular mostly on looks. The AC bonus is nominal. I understand about 30 or so. It’s the only race that can’t use an incanadine breastplate for invis or cobalt armor (the bracer is shrink). Shrinking for most fights is very important so you have to burn ant pots or group with a sham or warrior with a cobalt to get shrunk.

I soloed a gnome warrior up with 40% spell haste arms. It was fun and very easy. I wouldn’t count a gnome out from one of the top picks for this reason alone. Plus the dex click is like 30 and stacks with anything outside Avatar. Halfling sneak is really good too. The evil races have 15-20% exp penalties which sucks for a solo person. An ogre walking around with 50 more unbuffed strength than most is a dps bump and slam is handy, I’m not sure it makes up for the xp penalty. Straight dps wise 40% haste is legit good and saves you from having to quest the eyepatch of plunder (only 20% haste)
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Old 10-27-2023, 09:39 AM
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If you have moderate raiding goals an ogre will be easier to stam cap. Most our guild warrior bots are ogres for that reason. Bash immunity (FSI is misleading) really only helps with a shaman and SK. It might cost you a swing cycle. Being able to slam is very nice, mostly for leveling up. Kick at 55 is passable though since it can interupt casters.

Iksars are popular mostly on looks. The AC bonus is nominal. I understand about 30 or so. It’s the only race that can’t use an incanadine breastplate for invis or cobalt armor (the bracer is shrink). Shrinking for most fights is very important so you have to burn ant pots or group with a sham or warrior with a cobalt to get shrunk.

I soloed a gnome warrior up with 40% spell haste arms. It was fun and very easy. I wouldn’t count a gnome out from one of the top picks for this reason alone. Plus the dex click is like 30 and stacks with anything outside Avatar. Halfling sneak is really good too. The evil races have 15-20% exp penalties which sucks for a solo person. An ogre walking around with 50 more unbuffed strength than most is a dps bump and slam is handy, I’m not sure it makes up for the xp penalty. Straight dps wise 40% haste is legit good and saves you from having to quest the eyepatch of plunder (only 20% haste)
Op is playing on quarm, gnomes arent really viable until velious gear. For p99 I 100% agree
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Old 10-27-2023, 05:02 PM
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Op is playing on quarm, gnomes arent really viable until velious gear. For p99 I 100% agree
I should have assumed Quarm, lol.
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