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Sneak pulling revisited
The patch notes I work with come from https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/f...klnT3llZTA3OXc Direct Link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9...WJUZGVZVXFzT1E and where possible are referenced against http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/ for accuracy. However there is a lot missing from Baldio's so this can't always be done. All other sources listed below.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....4/ny-zsdZM-xYJ 8/5/99 Quote:
November 16th, 4:30pm Quote:
Lannella / Busker 9/13/01 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....0/Qum7uOgJeNkJ Quote:
Tim Smith 9/13/01 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....0/tYcKs_PYeyYJ Quote:
9/14/01 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....0/5-DUgJA0H0gJ Quote:
September 11, 2001 3:00 am Patch Quote:
http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/f...-sneak-pulling Written by Kuurus IceBear Quote:
I read that body pulling works on Live and there was some question as to mechanics changing over time. It did not work with body pulling originally according to this patch. May 8, 2002 3:00 am Patch Quote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111127...ead.php?t=8889 09-25-2000 Quote:
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Last edited by Caiu; 08-03-2017 at 01:00 AM..
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Interesting post for sure, it is interesting to see the FD comment on the memblur aspect. It says hitting FD 6 times results in the mob only having an 8% chance of remembering you. I have never seen this on P99 since the sneak changes, I have tried popping and dropping a ton to split yet seems like your chances of memblurring decrease with each drop (opposite of what was described). I wind up having to let the mobs reset and try again (I've since used reverse yo-yo pulling with great success).
On the sneak pulling from a rogue perspective, it is very curious. The only specific instance he gave was the KC basement, and I've never been there so don't know how the mobs are spaced out and if those mobs social each other on live or what. He seems to say early that if a mob has social agro sneaking will do nothing to help, but then contradicts that saying some mobs he was 'told were social' (who knows if this is true) he can sneak pull them right through each other. For instance in the Hole, rats and undead don't social with elementals but I could see how some people thought they would. If a rogue was pulling from jail and out past castle he may pull a rat and sneak/hide past a few elemental spawns and think his sneaking negated the agro, when in truth they wouldn't have agroed anyways. Still some good research, more specifics on what mobs were pulled through what would be more convincing in my opinion (and what level the puller was).
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Nice amount of info, about running and insta sneaking, and passing by unaggroed have done, but not while pulling, shoulda test this.
Most of the info should be alike this FD, but sneak with blur and the way it works itself. Hopefully devs will dig into it and make it true classic! | ||
Last edited by Brocode; 08-04-2017 at 10:55 AM..
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Sneak was not suppose to make Feign a 100% blur, the could still turn around and remember you above 35, regardless of sneak activated as you where still remaining on their hate list
However Sneak did block social aggro provided the mob you aggro does not run in front of the mobs you have a successful sneak angle on. something that seems messed up currently on p99 (Not currently playing a monk so I cant really test *unless i log onto a rogue or something*). But tagging the rear mob with sneak (with a 2nd monk) was a very common tactic on classic. As well as breaking camps that where laid out correctly (aka. exposed rears). I distinctly remember being able to single pull any guard's that where parallel (side by side) with a sneak behind both. However even with sneak if you pull right thru the mob or your pull mob goes in front of his face, it would aggro them.
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Essentially all the things that make sneak pulling work are still in the game. However we are using a Live mechanic whereby mobs of the same faction will assist one another even if the sneak angles are right. This isn't accurate for the classic timeline.
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*bump*
Sneak pulling is very much a classic mechanic... this doesnt just gimp monks its any rogue/ranger/halfling with a throwing item out there. | ||
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Come back to P99 and find out that my monk sucks lol...
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