Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[finalgrunt]

I would like to officially ask both TMO and FE leaders to consider a favor for the server.

I've seen discussions about rotations failing, and it's understandable.
Small guilds acknowledge your efforts, time invested in tracking, planning, etc. But it's also obvious that people who remain in small guilds want to relive their old memories but are not ready to do as much. A lot, but not as much.

So here is the request: let other guilds have a go at Kunark raid targets during a week every 3 months.

That would exclude VP obviously. For Trakanon, that would be up to you of course as it's a sensitive target. We could also imagine that teeth handed over to your guilds, or destroyed, I don't know, it's details.

It's been two years Kunark has been out. One week every 3 months is only 8% of targets. It would not change the balance of power and we can all agree on the fact that no 3rd force will come disrupt the current top competition.

Also it would not be "free/handed out" loot. Smaller guilds may have to compete during that week, they could also decide if they want to rotate or not. Would also be a good opportunity for smaller guilds to show how they would really handle such situation.

All members from TMO and FE, thanks in advance to be kind enough to consider it.

[Tiggles]

TMO leadership would be and already is 100% fine if guilds want to contact us ahead of time and say they want to go after an outdoor dragon.

Not saying you have to ask for permission just let's us know not to track it or bat phone it.

Problem is and I don't mean this as offense divinity and other more casual guilds can not effectively compete with FE.

Not to be a slam against FE but they have a lot of new hungry members who need gear from these mobs and will race you 100% on every one.

This puts TMO in a situation where we are just allowing our direct competition access to upgrades and plat sales that we don't want them to have access too.

TMO has a bad rap and a lot of it is deserving but and I can say this truly that if a guild is not antognistic towards us we will be beneficent towards them.

The problem is again FE VDA IB TR there all the same group of core members floating from guild to guild so it makes us look like we are picking on smaller guild.

We currently let some members if taken raid VP with us and I 100% know if divinity needed help on a mob lots of us would lend a hand.

Anyways look up our endangered species program and if you can get FE to agree to not attempt a mob I'm sure TMO will do the same.

Maybe not trak or CT~

Also if you want Inny I want to roll on a mage staff for my alt ~~~~

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO leadership would be and already is 100% fine if guilds want to contact us ahead of time and say they want to go after an outdoor dragon.

Not saying you have to ask for permission just let's us know not to track it or bat phone it.

Problem is and I don't mean this as offense divinity and other more casual guilds can not effectively compete with FE.

Not to be a slam against FE but they have a lot of new hungry members who need gear from these mobs and will race you 100% on every one.

This puts TMO in a situation where we are just allowing our direct competition access to upgrades and plat sales that we don't want them to have access too.

TMO has a bad rap and a lot of it is deserving but and I can say this truly that if a guild is not antognistic towards us we will be beneficent towards them.

The problem is again FE VDA IB TR there all the same group of core members floating from guild to guild so it makes us look like we are picking on smaller guild.

We currently let some members if taken raid VP with us and I 100% know if divinity needed help on a mob lots of us would lend a hand.

Anyways look up our endangered species program and if you can get FE to agree to not attempt a mob I'm sure TMO will do the same.

Maybe not trak or CT~

Also if you want Inny I want to roll on a mage staff for my alt ~~~~

So what is the competition for? What is the finish line that decides who best is? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what is the competition for? What is the finish line that decides who best is? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say the prestige and fame that comes along with being the number one guild.

Getting asked for autographs and being able to drink for free in any tavern in Norrath.


That or just being shiny in the EC tunnel and have people hate on you

[Splorf22]

I think for this to work the GMs might have to get involved and give out the spawn times. The big difference between guilds like FE/TMO and everyone else is that FE/TMO are so large that they can field 30+ players 24/7. If the smaller guilds agree to a rotation and Divinity's Trakanon spawns at 4AM, they obviously won't be able to kill it for quite a while.

Anyway I am pretty sure that if Rogean mandated a vacation for the large guilds once a week the smaller guilds could work something out. There aren't THAT many of us; Taken/Divinity/The A-Team/Full Circle/Flawless Victory/Europa is only 6 (I'm putting BDA in with the big guilds which may or may not be fair; hope I haven't forgotten anyone but I think that's all the guilds that do sky on a regular basis.), and I count twelve raid targets (plus Maestro/Draco/Trakanon spawn 2x per week) so we'd all be pretty happy with two raid targets each that week, and we could schedule stuff appropriately.

But I think Tiggles is probably right here; FE has no reason to agree to a rotation when after 3-4 months of slogging they are finally getting on an even tier with TMO, and I don't blame them. TMO on the other hand has been farming this stuff for a year now, so all they would be missing out on is a few RnF threads [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think for this to work the GMs might have to get involved and give out the spawn times. The big difference between guilds like FE/TMO and everyone else is that FE/TMO are so large that they can field 30+ players 24/7. If the smaller guilds agree to a rotation and Divinity's Trakanon spawns at 4AM, they obviously won't be able to kill it for quite a while.

Anyway I am pretty sure that if Rogean mandated a vacation for the large guilds once a week the smaller guilds could work something out. There aren't THAT many of us; Taken/Divinity/The A-Team/Full Circle/Flawless Victory/Europa is only 6 (I'm putting BDA in with the big guilds which may or may not be fair; hope I haven't forgotten anyone but I think that's all the guilds that do sky on a regular basis.), and I count twelve raid targets (plus Maestro/Draco/Trakanon spawn 2x per week) so we'd all be pretty happy with two raid targets each that week, and we could schedule stuff appropriately.

But I think Tiggles is probably right here; FE has no reason to agree to a rotation when after 3-4 months of slogging they are finally getting on an even tier with TMO, and I don't blame them. TMO on the other hand has been farming this stuff for a year now, so all they would be missing out on is a few RnF threads [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't need spawn times dragons could stay up for like 24-48 hours or something.

I know gore stayed up for almost a week last time we didn't kill her.

In a rotation I would set a time period from spawn then it goes FFA something long though like 12-24 hours

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO leadership would be and already is 100% fine if guilds want to contact us ahead of time and say they want to go after an outdoor dragon.

Not saying you have to ask for permission just let's us know not to track it or bat phone it.

Problem is and I don't mean this as offense divinity and other more casual guilds can not effectively compete with FE.

Not to be a slam against FE but they have a lot of new hungry members who need gear from these mobs and will race you 100% on every one.

This puts TMO in a situation where we are just allowing our direct competition access to upgrades and plat sales that we don't want them to have access too.

TMO has a bad rap and a lot of it is deserving but and I can say this truly that if a guild is not antognistic towards us we will be beneficent towards them.

The problem is again FE VDA IB TR there all the same group of core members floating from guild to guild so it makes us look like we are picking on smaller guild.

We currently let some members if taken raid VP with us and I 100% know if divinity needed help on a mob lots of us would lend a hand.

Anyways look up our endangered species program and if you can get FE to agree to not attempt a mob I'm sure TMO will do the same.

Maybe not trak or CT~

Also if you want Inny I want to roll on a mage staff for my alt ~~~~

Wasn't aware tiggles was speaking for FE now (you can't make a comment on what we will or won't race for, pretty sure a thread was started about TMO running over a full circle draco raid and we said we had no problem giving them a shot at it uncontested). I'm not either stating that upfront. My opinion is though that FE has just started getting a lot of these targets and does have a lot of new members to gear. If this was tmo/ib I could see this happening as they really don't need the gear for their "core" players, but FE still does have a legitimate need for the mobs hence going after them.

I think there are some mobs that are lesser priorities that could be left up every now and then but the argument that some people want to see the content but don't want to put in the time seems weak to me. Last I checked everquest was all about time invested versus the rewarded outcome. Was on classic and is here.

There are targets that are available as some people have pointed out and no one is attempting them or contesting them it seems. I think this kind of suggestions would get more backing if any of the guilds who wanted the mob were showing more initiative to do the stuff on their own. Again just my opinion.

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't aware tiggles was speaking for FE now (you can't make a comment on what we will or won't race for, pretty sure a thread was started about TMO running over a full circle draco raid and we said we had no problem giving them a shot at it uncontested). I'm not either stating that upfront. My opinion is though that FE has just started getting a lot of these targets and does have a lot of new members to gear. If this was tmo/ib I could see this happening as they really don't need the gear for their "core" players, but FE still does have a legitimate need for the mobs hence going after them.

I think there are some mobs that are lesser priorities that could be left up every now and then but the argument that some people want to see the content but don't want to put in the time seems weak to me. Last I checked everquest was all about time invested versus the rewarded outcome. Was on classic and is here.

There are targets that are available as some people have pointed out and no one is attempting them or contesting them it seems. I think this kind of suggestions would get more backing if any of the guilds who wanted the mob were showing more initiative to do the stuff on their own. Again just my opinion.

Left Divinity 3 weeks ago. Now spokesperson for FE.

Time invested vs reward would be a great argument if it wasn't a total load of bs. Its easy to give up tracking and bat phoning mobs for a week. BDA did it. Its just a matter of how much your guild really cares about everyone else, and not just themselves. FE has shown that in the past, and im sure TMO has maybe once or twice. But yalls E-peen competition effects the server as a whole when we are just trying to have fun. Stomping the less aggressive guild for pixels is just selfish.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Left Divinity 3 weeks ago. Now spokesperson for FE.

Time invested vs reward would be a great argument if it wasn't a total load of bs. Its easy to give up tracking and bat phoning mobs for a week. BDA did it. Its just a matter of how much your guild really cares about everyone else, and not just themselves. FE has shown that in the past, and im sure TMO has maybe once or twice. But yalls E-peen competition effects the server as a whole when we are just trying to have fun. Stomping the less aggressive guild for pixels is just selfish.

pretty sure i said specifically i was speaking for myself, and I had the same sentiment when I was in divinity. Also left divinity 6 weeks ago, thanks pal!

[webrunner5]

High end raiding on here is just a total "Cluster F..k". Lets not sugar coat it. If you want to be the top turd guild on here you have to be a turd. Plain and simple. Ain't going to change. Might end up a different guild down the road but will be the same old crap.