Proof Global Warming Exists!!!!

[chaple]

Ok, so here I am reading the news and I come across this link!

http://projects.usatoday.com/money/globaldebt/
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Oh wait... that's not a warming chart... it's the US National Debt Chart...

My mistake....

[Tseng]

I don't believe in man-made global warming.

/leaves thread and never comes back

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Tseng [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe in man-made global warming.

/leaves thread and never comes back

Right the greenhouse effect is like that other hippie scam that plants generate oxygen, its just cuz they dont want us to cut trees cuz they think trees cry inside when you cut their branches. Glenn Beck 2012 baby.

[guineapig]

My ice cream melted in the sun today [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My ice cream melted in the sun today [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn. Foiled by ice cream.

[Overcast]

Here's how I look at it..

I think the 'truth' is that we do impact the environment - but not NEARLY to the degree that some would have us think.

I guess... I gotta look at it statistically.
The world has been here - some say for 4.5 Billion years.

We have been collecting climate data - that as least has some potential of 'accuracy' for maybe... 250 years? That's REALLY going out on a limb, considering people were still mostly farmers 250 years ago. But let's say 250 for the sake of this.

So we have about 0.000005555555555555556% of available data to base these 'assumptions' on.

I know there are computer models, tree rings, dirt layers, etc, etc - but we don't know all the variables that could have impacted that either. Or how does wood and soil potentially change after being in the middle of a tree or 50 foot under for 5,000 years.

Lot of unknowns.

Still - I think the truth, like most things, lies in the middle.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Overcast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's how I look at it..

I think the 'truth' is that we do impact the environment - but not NEARLY to the degree that some would have us think.

I guess... I gotta look at it statistically.
The world has been here - some say for 4.5 Billion years.

We have been collecting climate data - that as least has some potential of 'accuracy' for maybe... 250 years? That's REALLY going out on a limb, considering people were still mostly farmers 250 years ago. But let's say 250 for the sake of this.

So we have about 0.000005555555555555556% of available data to base these 'assumptions' on.

I know there are computer models, tree rings, dirt layers, etc, etc - but we don't know all the variables that could have impacted that either. Or how does wood and soil potentially change after being in the middle of a tree or 50 foot under for 5,000 years.

Lot of unknowns.

Still - I think the truth, like most things, lies in the middle.

What they do is dig in the old ice with trapped bubbles of air in it so they can compare CO2 PPM from 100k years ago.

Its really simple, theres a short term economic interest in makin people beleive that the greenhouse effect is a myth and some people eat it up. If you want to convince yourself that havin too much CO2 in the atmosphere is a serious threat you can take a look at venus, its a oven from hell.

It doesnt take a scientist to notice global warming even now, this summer this east coast heat wave was the worst heat i ever felt, native people are having to move because the permafrost theyve been living on for thousands of years is melting, no snow at christmas often when it was snowing in november as a child, the signs are there even when you dont look at hard data.

Bottom line is we should be careful about running experiments when we are all sitting in the experiment bottle. If theres a chance that greenhouse effect can raise 4 degrees celcius come 2100 we would be stupid not to try to deflect it and switch to clean energy.

[Zereh]

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[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its really simple, theres a short term economic interest in makin people beleive that the greenhouse effect is a myth...

Actually there's an economic interest in making everyone believe there is man-made global warming.

Your Venus comparison is apples and oranges btw. There are a hell of a lot of other reasons Venus is an oven. The most important being that it's sitting right next to the sun. C'mon now.

Local variations in temperature stability have a heck of a lot more reasons than C02. What about the Medieval Climatic Anomaly, or the Little Ice-Age? Regional variations have nothing to do with global climate.

One very good Canadian documentary is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0462407994295#

Well worth a watch.

One very interesting point is that - while yes - we are experiencing a global warming, it's a global warming since the late 19th century, and meteorological data began just at the end of the last cyclic cooling period.

Another is that while surface temperatures seem to be rising...there has been no change in atmospheric temperature in the last 25 years. The exact period that the IPCC modified its position on in 2001 - the position that global warming is attributable to man-made gases that is.

There have been warmer global periods than ours also. This is statistical fact. These warmer periods over the last 10,000 years have had not a doggoned thing to do with man-made C02.

And what about the falling sea level in the Maldives?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by chaple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so here I am reading the news and I come across this link!

Would be nice if it were true, then plants, trees and crops would grow better [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
...you know "greenhouse". But there is hope, the sun is heating up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] other planets are getting warmer as well. Corn on the cob, baby! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]