Body aggro is not FTE?

[t0lkien]

Tonight in OOT on the Seafury island a pet class pulled a fury off me that had popped on me and aggroed, saying I hadn't damaged it and so it was up for grabs. I charm kite two mobs there at a time, keeping one as my pet (pet was almost dead so the aggroed mob was a free pull basically). I have to body pull the mob that isn't used as a pet so it aggroes my pet and not me - it's how aggro works, and is particularly sensitive on p99. If I damage the other mob in any way, it's almost impossible to charm kite it.

So, my question is, is that the way First To Engage (FTE) rules work on p99? Now the guy was just being a dick, but the point needs clarification. Does body aggro not qualify as aggro?

For the record (and I'm on Seafury Island almost every night lately) there are a lot of players who compete for seafuries, and it's understood I and other classes could pull the entire island and handle it easily if we wanted to. We don't do that, we share most of the time. I can say I'm always considerate of other players and have forgone mobs I could have taken because I know the other player has been looking for a while etc. So for me it's a matter of principle, not greed. The mob is irrelevant. The point is important (and also, I hate assholes in any form - in or out of game).

[Zeelot]

FTE = First person on the NPC aggro list. The type of aggro means nothing, be it body pulling, pet pulling, javelin, etc.

[Wudan]

lemme guess.... was it Tiggles on his fag mage?

[t0lkien]

No Tiggles is actually good natured and fair from what I've seen - on Seafury Island anyway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tonight in OOT on the Seafury island a pet class pulled a fury off me that had popped on me and aggroed, saying I hadn't damaged it and so it was up for grabs. I charm kite two mobs there at a time, keeping one as my pet (pet was almost dead so the aggroed mob was a free pull basically). I have to body pull the mob that isn't used as a pet so it aggroes my pet and not me - it's how aggro works, and is particularly sensitive on p99. If I damage the other mob in any way, it's almost impossible to charm kite it.

So, my question is, is that the way First To Engage (FTE) rules work on p99? Now the guy was just being a dick, but the point needs clarification. Does body aggro not qualify as aggro?

For the record (and I'm on Seafury Island almost every night lately) there are a lot of players who compete for seafuries, and it's understood I and other classes could pull the entire island and handle it easily if we wanted to. We don't do that, we share most of the time. I can say I'm always considerate of other players and have forgone mobs I could have taken because I know the other player has been looking for a while etc. So for me it's a matter of principle, not greed. The mob is irrelevant. The point is important (and also, I hate assholes in any form - in or out of game).

You had FTE

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No Tiggles is actually good natured and fair from what I've seen - on Seafury Island anyway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GET OFF MY ISLAND

[gotrocks]

Fairly sure 'fte' only applies to raid mobs. Also fairly sure that for all other types of mobs, its sort of a 'common sense' applies kind of thing. The mob was clearly yours. This guy was simply being a dick. Not much else to it.

I really think a lot of you would like red. It's not the shitfest its made out to be on the forums. I'm a bluebie and have been playing there lately and having lots of fun - plus, this kind of bogus bullshit doesn't happen over there. Most people are actually pretty cool and willing to help each other.

Not trying to pitch red btw, just thought i'd point that out because its relevant.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fairly sure 'fte' only applies to raid mobs. Also fairly sure that for all other types of mobs, its sort of a 'common sense' applies kind of thing. The mob was clearly yours. This guy was simply being a dick. Not much else to it.

I really think a lot of you would like red. It's not the shitfest its made out to be on the forums. I'm a bluebie and have been playing there lately and having lots of fun - plus, this kind of bogus bullshit doesn't happen over there. Most people are actually pretty cool and willing to help each other.

Not trying to pitch red btw, just thought i'd point that out because its relevant.

Actually, roaming mobs are FTE unless someone is camping a single spawn point.

You can't "camp" several sea furies. It's all about who can tag (fte) the fastest.

Most people use dmg as an indicator that they have tagged at sea furies tho, leaves no room for guessing. Body pulling is acceptable tho, just not standard there unless camping a single spawn.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, roaming mobs are FTE unless someone is camping a single spawn point

No, I was told just recently roaming mobs are not camp-able. Period. Single spawn point or not.

I learned this after camping the So Ro AC for five hours with a guild mate.

Just want to make this nice and clear.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I was told just recently roaming mobs are not camp-able. Period. Single spawn point or not.

I learned this after camping the So Ro AC for five hours with a guild mate.

Just want to make this nice and clear.

Told by who?

Originally Posted by Xzerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings,

We will be tweaking this along with some other rules as we move forward but it is time to address some issues with camps that have been coming up. I will try to use some examples to clarify rules.

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

*Example* You are doing Ghoul Magi, Lord, and Frenzy in lguk. Another group arrives to claim a camp. If they stumble upon a spawned room devoid of players, they can claim it. Where your group resides is your camp; choose wisely.

2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.

3. The efreeti spawn kind of covers both of these situations, with this camp in particular if you are not at the spawn and another group arrives, you lose it.

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.
*Example* An enchanter and lvl 40 ranger are in a group. The enchanter leaves to go kill frenzy and the ranger stay at lord. In this instance both camps are not considered held as the ranger could not survive this camp on his own without the enchanter.

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen.

7. We do not have a rule for how a camp will be handed off to another player. It is recommended the player interested in obtaining a camp work that out with who is on the camp already.
*Example* Player a is on jboots, player b comes and sits and just waits. If player a wants to hand off to his friend rather than player b, he has that right. If player a wants to hold a list and give to the next player on that list, that is also his right. GMs will not moderate that unless player b can prove he was deceived by player a with how the camp would be handed off.

Any deal between players trumps any of these rules so long as all players agree. These rules are here to be a guide to players for what rights they have while in the game. In my opinion this is very similar to what SoE did with camp disputes in game. As Nilbog has said in this thread, in 99 every named spawn in zones would have entire groups at them. If one group was capitalizing on more than one spawn and a second group wanted half or to share and then petitioned, PNP would be enforced and the groups would be forced to share. This is a guide explaining how we would like things to be shared.

Failure to comply and respect these rules will be viewed as disruptive behavior and players will be subject to disciplinary action. Please dont let it come to this.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Told by who?

Ambrotos - August 11, 2013 at 10pm central


"The AC in South Ro is not Campable"