Collectivism vs Individualism

[Supreme]

The idea that this was a collective community project about Everquest players and not a project about individual demands has now taken an obvious turn.

I am not sure where project leaders thought it would be a good idea to appease these individual demands but given some time to consider the whole picture do you really think a "teams" server will improve Project 1999 PVP?

Do you not see that this is what the individuals desire? They do not have the ability or desire to build anything substantive to challenge and seek to bring an end by whatever means necessary to Project 1999 PVP.

Think back when Red 99 was released. To these individuals it was about the easy gank kill, or the corpse camping followed by gloating in the form of Project 1999 forum posts. This led to a lot of players simply quitting Red 99. It was never about building a PVP community of collective Everquest players it was about their individual desire. Now with the realization that Red 99 will not be their stomping grounds they have manipulated the idea that the "Collective" many desire a teams based server.

I was not able to be at this meeting of the minds that represented the voices of the many that play Red 99. But i can say that this will end up being a waste of resources and time that could be better spent promoting Red 99, Velious and fixing content/bugs.

[Nirgon]

Is that why several hot fixes were made after Azrael killed a few minor raid targets? Or you lied about and defended exploiting raid content? Interest in building a community? Take a hike.

[Aenor]

Let me ask you a question, Supreme. Has anybody on staff troubled to deny Uthgaard's contention that Nizzar filed a police report concerning an RMT partner in New Orleans that he betrayed and who subsequently made death threats? I mean, that sounds like some serious tinfoil action right there, but I haven't seen one word questioning the factual basis of Uthgaard's accusations.

So, I feel pretty confident that Nihilum would never have been able to compete without staff intervention on the current red server. Yes, I know, you can rules lawyer it all you want. Nihilum has admitted to cheating when nobody was watching but the staff can only punish those they directly observe. You're trying to blame the decline in population on griefing but the fact is that before the staff banned Holocaust for using exploits they learned from Nihilum, that grief-fest was thriving with 500+ players.

Now you're worried because your exploited gains won't mean as much to you if the whole population goes to a new server (a server where Nihilum will be completely dominated and griefed off the server unless the staff intervenes yet again). You need us, the players who weren't handed uncontested top dog status by the staff, to stick around and be jealous of your uberness.

It was selective enforcement of the rules that killed the population, not PvP. PvP brought the population of 500+. A new server will bring those numbers again. Sirken has stated that the new server is an experiment to see if they can find a ruleset that will retain population. Nihilum99 had its chance, and it failed to retain population. You killed your own audience. This is the consequence. Deal with it.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question, Supreme. Has anybody on staff troubled to deny Uthgaard's contention that Nizzar filed a police report concerning an RMT partner in New Orleans that he betrayed and who subsequently made death threats? I mean, that sounds like some serious tinfoil action right there, but I haven't seen one word questioning the factual basis of Uthgaard's accusations.

Uthgaard is a known liar and a flake. I can make the claim that this individual is a peter puffer and if no one comes to disprove my claim then that gives it validity? Kind of like repeating a lie over and over. If enough people repeat this same lie then it takes on a "truth" property as those communicating it believe it to be the "truth".

So, I feel pretty confident that Nihilum would never have been able to compete without staff intervention on the current red server. Yes, I know, you can rules lawyer it all you want. Nihilum has admitted to cheating when nobody was watching but the staff can only punish those they directly observe. You're trying to blame the decline in population on griefing but the fact is that before the staff banned Holocaust for using exploits they learned from Nihilum, that grief-fest was thriving with 500+ players.

If Nihilum "has cheated when nobody was watching" why have there not been Nihilum members reporting it? We have recruits/apps on raids...alot of them are old adversaries (Stasis etc..) yet there has not been anything to report...because the fact is that Nihilum does not "cheat".

Keep trying to blame the decline of the server on Holocaust being banned. If the role was reversed do you think Nihilum would have folded, quit the server and trolled the forums for over a year crying about "injustice".

Now you're worried because your exploited gains won't mean as much to you if the whole population goes to a new server (a server where Nihilum will be completely dominated and griefed off the server unless the staff intervenes yet again). You need us, the players who weren't handed uncontested top dog status by the staff, to stick around and be jealous of your uberness.

Again i challenge you to give me proof of exploited gains. The RBB and 3 other crap pieces of Vox loot did not make us quit or flee in protest. The fact is that you cannot beat Nihilum in the ring so you must rely on an alternative. And maybe with enough coercion the staff will help you beat Nihilum.

It was selective enforcement of the rules that killed the population, not PvP. PvP brought the population of 500+. A new server will bring those numbers again. Sirken has stated that the new server is an experiment to see if they can find a ruleset that will retain population. Nihilum99 had its chance, and it failed to retain population. You killed your own audience. This is the consequence. Deal with it.

I am not sure were you got the "selective enforcement" idea. I have been banned/suspended from Red99 for various things. Alot of people have. Two-boxing, training among them. There was no special treatment passed because of my guildtag.

It is not Nihilum that is here posting/trolling about how terrible Red99 is. It is the defeated trolls that cannot deal with losing. That must find another way to compete because they do not have the ability or desire to actually put in the work/effort to make something competitive.

How is that Nihilum's fault.

[Rhambuk]

Very uninteresting.

Teams good

Flush red99

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Losers always want it to be easy for THEM and do not care about how it affects the rest.

That perfectly describes how Nihilum recruited half the server to make competition impossible, thus destroying the server and necessitating a new teams server where competition can actually take place. Thus the previous statement, "you destroyed your own audience."

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can make the claim that this individual is a peter puffer and if no one comes to disprove my claim then that gives it validity?

You make a great jailhouse lawyer. Don't pick up the soap in the shower. Meanwhile, if Uthgaard is making this shit up, why hasn't he been laughed off the forums for it? Maybe the staff has reserved comment because they'd rather not deny it then have him produce the actual police report.

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the role was reversed do you think Nihilum would have folded, quit the server and trolled the forums for over a year crying about "injustice".

I believe I already answered that. I stated that, without GM intervention, there is no way Nihilum will survive on the new server.

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And maybe with enough coercion the staff will help you beat Nihilum.

LOL coercion? Sirken had already stated there would not be a new server before the staff apparently changed their minds. I very seriously doubt anybody put a gun to their heads and demanded a new elf simulator.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Nihilum "has cheated when nobody was watching" why have there not been Nihilum members reporting it? We have recruits/apps on raids...alot of them are old adversaries (Stasis etc..) yet there has not been anything to report...because the fact is that Nihilum does not "cheat".

wolfram did that, and you guys immediately deguilded him in plane of hate, killed him, and corpse camped him there

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wolfram did that, and you guys immediately deguilded him in plane of hate, killed him, and corpse camped him there

More lies.

The only person that was guildremoved on a raid, killed and camped was STEAKS.

Because STEAKS was intentionally trying to exploit vox...even after several people in TS told him not to do it because it is a known bug.

Get your facts straight and stop with the half-truths and lies.

[Giovanni]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More lies.

The only person that was guildremoved on a raid, killed and camped was STEAKS.

Because STEAKS was intentionally trying to exploit vox...even after several people in TS told him not to do it because it is a known bug.

Get your facts straight and stop with the half-truths and lies.

Why was vox pulled halfway across the zone to a known exploit spot instead of engaging in the lair?

Nihilum killed the red99 server, and now you guys can enjoy the server all by your lonesome selves.

[Nirgon]

I'm going to shit in bed tonight then complain about it