Sick of the variance talk

[Kelsar]

I'm sick of the variance troll threads.

TLDR: Let's do variance so I can say I TOLD YOU SO!

We've seen what happens to the server when people combine forces, outnumber the opposition, and still get crushed..... That's what you're going to see with variance. It's really not going to help the server. Not to mention the neck beards who will then corpse camp for hours on end.

There is far better footing for the underdog when they know what time to be on to contest another guild and can advantageously position themselves before the mob pops. Get your Art of War on bros - shit is easy and all relevant information has been known for over 14 years.

Does Nihilum need to assign squad leaders to help opposing guild? I mean, this should be pretty damn obvious...

-My Take-
VARIANCE: let's try it, to make the vocal rejects (the 10% of the population) STFU.

TRUTH: the mob will go to the guild who can mobilize the most amount of forces in the shortest amount of time.

RED99 FACT: Nihilum is by far the most coordinated guild; Nihilum's mobilization time, while sad, is still far superior to other guilds.

The Sage's insight: at this point it's no secret each guild has spies. Your time delay from detection to the entire server knowing is probably under 15 minutes. If you can't mobilize in under 15, you're done son! DONE! MOVE ON!

How this plays out:

Guild 1's (G1) tracker detects a named NPC, we'll call it a dragon.

The G1's tracker sends a guild message to its members, stating the dragon spawned.

The guild (as a collective) has four choices: 1) Gather to make an attempt; 2) Bat Phone for more; 3) Log in alts (if you're Lite); 4) Combine forces to make an attempt ; or 5) do nothing.

In the next 10 minutes other guilds (guild 2 and 3) become aware the dragon has spawned. As pointed out, the guild or collective that can mobilize the most amount of forces in the shortest amount of time will win.

Dragon takes 30 seconds to kill.

Guild 1 takes 25 minutes (T-25m) from notification to a prepared for engagement state.

Other guilds learn about it in 10 minutes (T-10m)
Guild 2 takes 17 (T-17m + T-10m = T-27)
Guild 3 takes 10 (T-10m + T-10m = T-20)

Guild 1 and 2's force of 12 engages Guild 3's force of 30 at the T-5 mark to delay Guild 3's dragon engagement. Guild 3 crushes guild 1 and 2's force at the T-1 mark and engages the dragon 30 seconds later.

The TIME it took from G1 Tracker notification to dragon dead was 20 minutes and 30 seconds.

Event over.

Corpse camping begins at T+2 and continues until T+120 minutes
Repeat in 7 days +/- 18 hrs (thanks variance, join us next week)

Everyone else who logs in after that fact will now become slightly more numb to subsequent "mobilization requests", more spirits will be dashed, and more people will leave the server.

So yes, in the short-term you will get a few minutes of mass PvP here and there. In the long-term you will do far greater damage to the server population and by extension harm the opposing guilds' player base/ability to compete.

Who really wants to log in at 3AM to get their ass kicked then corpse camped for the next 30+ minutes?

TLDR: Let's do variance so I can say I TOLD YOU SO!

[HippoNipple]

Do you think Nihilum will coordinate for every mob they currently take in 3 hours of raiding if they have to put in 10x the effort or do you think they will skip over some of the mobs providing a stepping stone for lesser guilds to progress?

[Kelsar]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think Nihilum will coordinate for every mob they currently take in 3 hours of raiding if they have to put in 10x the effort or do you think they will skip over some of the mobs providing a stepping stone for lesser guilds to progress?

I don't just think, I KNOW.

Do you honestly think any guild on this server won't get absolutely shit on if they try to contest?

[Bazia]

Who is this no name kelsar faggot

[NotKringe]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is this no name kelsar faggot

He's and old Lucid Vision guy...

Aka pretty much a nobody..

[Kelsar]

Originally Posted by NotKringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's and old Lucid Vision guy...

Aka pretty much a nobody..

Kringe mad because he got booted out of LV and lost on R99. Not once, but three times.

TBH, I fail at forum quest. I'm not one to dedicate a portion of my time to build my virtual notoriety...

Know what I'm saying?

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kelsar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't just think, I KNOW.

Do you honestly think any guild on this server won't get absolutely shit on if they try to contest?

Right now Nihilum goes through all the mobs and it takes them 3 hours on the major repop days. They go through all raid targets, whether they need them or not. You are saying that you KNOW they will field 60 people from bat phoning on random days to contest mobs no one in the guild needs just to block any sort of lesser guilds from progressing? I'm not saying there wouldn't be a handful of Nihilum for this but you think the 45 casuals that just log in for the 3 hours a week would be motivated to do this?

If they did they would be the ultimate guild and there would be no arguing it any further. That sounds like a challenge Nihilum would be excited to accept if they were confident in their ability to do this.

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now Nihilum goes through all the mobs and it takes them 3 hours on the major repop days. They go through all raid targets, whether they need them or not. You are saying that you KNOW they will field 60 people from bat phoning on random days to contest mobs no one in the guild needs just to block any sort of lesser guilds from progressing? I'm not saying there wouldn't be a handful of Nihilum for this but you think the 45 casuals that just log in for the 3 hours a week would be motivated to do this?

If they did they would be the ultimate guild and there would be no arguing it any further. That sounds like a challenge Nihilum would be excited to accept if they were confident in their ability to do this.

we wont have 60 people, but we'll have more than enough to make sure your next batphone to be a failure.

Is that hard to comprehend? we'll fucking grief you off so we can slack on tracking.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we wont have 60 people, but we'll have more than enough to make sure your next batphone to be a failure.

Is that hard to comprehend? we'll fucking grief you off so we can slack on tracking.

I'm not to worried about bat phoning. I enjoy playing in the raid zones during the week and if something pops and my guild can take it so be it. Bat phoning isn't how I play games. If you are saying you will have a scout in every raid zone at all times and will bat phone a group to take out a raid before a guild can down a mob that is already in their zone then you have some big words to back up there.

I get that you will watch the ones you want like a hawk and currently have the team to out mobilize anyone on the server, but you know as well as everyone you will give up a couple mobs to lessen the work load. You won't scout mobs no one wants just to grief other guilds. It would lower your guild morale too much and people would burn out.

[Kelsar]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we wont have 60 people, but we'll have more than enough to make sure your next batphone to be a failure.

Is that hard to comprehend? we'll fucking grief you off so we can slack on tracking.

QFT from the Duke. I tried telling you....