Game Mechanics: In town guards not nearly resistant enough

[Nirgon]

In most cases these sad guards here are no tougher than run of the mill trash. Easier even.

Continued from here

Here is a GREEN con high elf in town guard:

[Tue Dec 31 03:08:59 2013] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:07 2013] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:15 2013] You have entered Northern Felwithe.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:16 2013] The gods of war have rendered you invulnerable.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:16 2013] A mysterious voice whispers to you, 'If you can feel me in your thoughts, know this -- something is changing in the world and I reckon you should be a part of it. I do not know much, but I do know that in every home city and the wilds there are agents of an organization called the Wayfarers Brotherhood. They are looking for recruits and... If you can hear this message, you are one of the chosen. Rush to your home city and find out more. Adventure awaits you, my friend.'
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:17 2013] Your invulnerability fades.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:39 2013] Targeted (NPC): Guard Legver
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:39 2013] Right click on the NPC to consider him.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:41 2013] You say, 'Hail, Guard Legver'
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:45 2013] Targeted (NPC): Santug Claugg
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:45 2013] Right click on the NPC to consider him.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:46 2013] Santug Claugg regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:49 2013] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:52 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'later guys'
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:55 2013] You say, '!'
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:57 2013] Players in EverQuest:
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:57 2013] ---------------------------

[Tue Dec 31 03:09:57 2013] There are no players in EverQuest that match those who filters.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:58 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'imma go take a tewswarm'
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:59 2013] You cannot perform that action right now. Please try again in a moment.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:59 2013] You are hungry.
[Tue Dec 31 03:09:59 2013] You are out of food and low on drink.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:02 2013] Players in EverQuest:
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:02 2013] ---------------------------

[Tue Dec 31 03:10:02 2013] There are no players in EverQuest that match those who filters.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:04 2013] You no longer have a target.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:12 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'i ate pizza hut'
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:19 2013] Glyphor tells General:1, 'improve yer self huh?'
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:25 2013] Targeted (NPC): Nirgon`s familiar
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:25 2013] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:28 2013] Targeted (NPC): Guard Mystan
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:28 2013] Right click on the NPC to consider him.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:31 2013] You appear.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:31 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:33 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:34 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:39 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:42 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:43 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:44 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:45 2013] You are out of food and low on drink.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:45 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:47 2013] Guard Mystan looks uncomfortable.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:49 2013] Guard Mystan looks uncomfortable.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:51 2013] Guard Mystan scowls at you, ready to attack -- You could probably win this fight.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:54 2013] Guard Mystan looks uncomfortable.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:55 2013] Guard Mystan looks uncomfortable.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:56 2013] Your target resisted the Lower Element I spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:58 2013] Heal tells General:1, 'your gonna take a nap?'
[Tue Dec 31 03:10:59 2013] You begin casting Ice Spear of Solist.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:03 2013] Nirgon hit Guard Mystan for 1076 points of non-melee damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:03 2013] Guard Mystan is struck down by Solist's spear of ice.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:06 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'Don't forget your vitamins'
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:10 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:12 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:12 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:12 2013] Guard Mystan tries to bash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:14 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:14 2013] The maelstrom dissipates.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:14 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 79 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:16 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:17 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:17 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:18 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:18 2013] Your target resisted the Root spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:19 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:19 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:20 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 22 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:20 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:20 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:20 2013] Guard Mystan tries to bash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:22 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:22 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:22 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:22 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:24 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:24 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:24 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:24 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:24 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:26 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:27 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:28 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] Heal tells General:1, 'and your colon flushing'
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2013] Guard Mystan bashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:30 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:30 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:30 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:30 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:30 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:31 2013] Guard Mystan scowls at you, ready to attack -- You could probably win this fight.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:31 2013] You are out of food and low on drink.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:32 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:32 2013] You have become better at Alteration! (237)
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:32 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:33 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:34 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:34 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:35 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:36 2013] Your target resisted the Root spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:37 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:37 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:39 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:39 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:41 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:41 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:41 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:41 2013] Guard Mystan bashes YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:42 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:42 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:42 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:42 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:42 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:44 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'oh and seriously fuwok.. man to man,. brush your teeth, cause dentist bills suck'
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:44 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:45 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:45 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:48 2013] You begin casting Barrier of Force.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:48 2013] Your Staff of the Four begins to glow.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:50 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'Im man enought o give good advice..'
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:56 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'to some kidd'
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:58 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:11:59 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:00 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:00 2013] You are stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:00 2013] Guard Mystan bashes YOU for 40 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:01 2013] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:02 2013] You are no longer stunned.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:02 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:02 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:02 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:04 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:04 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:05 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:06 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:06 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:06 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:07 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 70 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:08 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:08 2013] Your target resisted the Root spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:09 2013] Guard Mystan bashes YOU for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:09 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 78 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:10 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:10 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:10 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:12 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:12 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:13 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:14 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:14 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:14 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 86 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:14 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:15 2013] Heal tells General:1, 'damn Fuwok is balling with his Elegant Defiant gear.'
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:15 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'it's my own fault I_ lived in a tent by a river for two years'
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:16 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:16 2013] Your target resisted the Root spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:17 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:17 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:17 2013] Guard Mystan tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:17 2013] You are hungry.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:17 2013] You are out of food and low on drink.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:19 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:19 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:19 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:20 2013] Guard Mystan scowls at you, ready to attack -- You could probably win this fight.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:20 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:21 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:21 2013] Your target resisted the Root spell.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:21 2013] You have become better at Alteration! (238)
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:21 2013] Tewswarm tells General:1, 'omg lol'
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:22 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 74 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:22 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'that sounded like something a man would say'
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:24 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:24 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:24 2013] You begin casting Root.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:26 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:26 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:26 2013] Guard Mystan adheres to the ground.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:27 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:27 2013] Guard Mystan bashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:28 2013] Your Root spell has worn off of Guard Mystan.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:30 2013] You begin casting Barrier of Force.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:30 2013] Your Staff of the Four begins to glow.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:30 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'gj'
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:32 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:32 2013] Guard Mystan tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:32 2013] Guard Mystan slashes YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 31 03:12:36 2013] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

As you can tell, I'm not keeping this guy rooted for more any amount of time at all.

I think you can also notice I don't channel my spells here half as often as I would on a 60 wizard trying this here on P99.

Freeport and Grobb in town guards are way too easily killed here for VERY high xp.

2 in town Cabilis guards can be used to easily take down the Vessel for enchanter epic there as well.

Ain't classic.

[freez]

stop testing shit from other servers past pop



thx pal

[Nirgon]

Sorry, I'm right!

Classic era:

http://web.archive.org/web/200202230....shtml?id=1108
"...Agrede - he rezists abowt 3 in 4 ov my Darkness and Feer spells. Stand an fite - save yer mana...

...a smart Ogah Shadoh-Nite! "

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I'm right!

Classic era:

http://web.archive.org/web/200202230....shtml?id=1108
"...Agrede - he rezists abowt 3 in 4 ov my Darkness and Feer spells. Stand an fite - save yer mana...

...a smart Ogah Shadoh-Nite! "

This ain't Luclin times here pal.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This ain't Luclin times here pal.

link not working. i think u got confused , let me explain . original guards and i mean all guards in fp neriak etc ent where as weak as the normal ones inside the city .

if u chek it all up every entrance city guard is super resists to everything but inside ones are not .

this was done to prevent guard farmers to kill only newbies protection.

and it worked , how i know? when i started people would camp kill front gate/entrance mobs for money and cash,

my very first longsword did come from one of them wich a lvl 46 necro was fear kitin . and i was killed more than a bunch of times due to no guards to keep me safe in fp .

[Arteker]

copy paste , u will notice his english is way beter than mine . is the cloest thing i can find out .


I thought most city guards were still very kill-able after the nerf? I was under the impression that only the newbie area / city gate guards got powered up in most cities, since it had become a such a big problem. I know in Steamfont it was just the two at the city gate and Watchman Dreeb (I think that's his name?) that were ridiculously strong, but the others were still mid 30s. Butcherblock definitely had a lot of dwarf guards that were great $$ and exp well after the change. I know for a fact that I camped the guards in Neriak's 3rd gate during Velious. Maybe the FP guards were special...

While I didn't start playing in time to camp the FP guards myself, I can definitely see why they powered up the gate guards in all the cities (and I agree with it). Being a newbie would suck a lot more if your only source of protection starting out was being perma camped by a bunch of high levels.

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[Mac Dretti]

This shows high elf guards being extremely resistant which I think is true but I don't think all the guards were as resistant as high elf guards. Need more prof of other guards.

[heartbrand]

Gate guards are already practically MR on p99, which are the ones that were buffed on live.

[Mac Dretti]

Tue Dec 31 03:10:59 2013] You begin casting Ice Spear of Solist.

[Tue Dec 31 03:12:30 2013] Fuwok tells General:1, 'gj'

Tue Dec 31 03:12:15 2013] Heal tells General:1, 'damn Fuwok is balling with his Elegant Defiant gear.'

Not classic btw

[Nirgon]

Ice Spear is from Velious. Steeeeee-rike 1.

But, to be sure, this is from live.

Town front guards are IMMUNE, which is correct.

In town guards should have insanely high magic/spell resist.

I'll go to Freeport (hopefully has the same guards) and Grobb tonight.

I'm 100% on this one.