GM's.. Are you listening?

[mikemandella]

I have played on this server for years.. on both sides. As a level 60 player my pals and I have very little reason to log in. Here is why:

If I want high end content of any type IE any 7 day timer.. there is one guild to chose from..

If I want remotely winnable PVP then I have to PVP vs half the server or there literally is nobody in range.

Now I want to see this box succeed as much as the next guy. We all want the same thing in the end. In the end it is still just a game... I am not a fan of variance. I think it would just be a way to grief Nihilum and don't support it. I also don't support rotations like we have on blue.. We should have to fight for our mobs.. I am cool with that and I think most of us are.

However we need to find a happy medium. This project is supposed to provide a play experience to ALL PLAYERS. That is why we have a much needed PNP.

The server population has proven time and time again that without intervention they are not capable of providing a fun gameplay experience for EVERYONE. This isn't any one players or Nihilum/RD/Azraels server.. it's everyones..

There will always be a power guild, but even FOH, Afterlife, etc.. all had to actually compete. They didn't get to farm because nobody else was on the server. Isn't that experience much closer to classic than a 2 year 99.5% stranglehold?

Does playing on a empty box really simulate "classic" and the sport of competition??

As a community can we come together and find a constructive solution?

- Oppressor

[Kergan]

I think this is a pretty good post. But my opinion is that you can't fix this server the way people are asking without double or triple the population, and what is going on with RD/Nihilum at the high end isn't what is causing population issues.

What I think we can do though is talk about some changes that may keep people involved once they decided to start here, implement some of those changes and then have some events to attempt to grow the population.

I'd say my first suggestion would be put the PVP range to +/- 4 like RZ.

Another would be to increase exp rate bonus from 1-50.

The third would be to get commitment from guild leadership of all major guilds to have guild sponsored events for the lower level population. Be it level 20-30 PVP tournaments (Mrbigs could be a boss mob..take him down and win a CoF or something), guild plvl events, item raffles, whatever. Do what it takes to change the outside opinions. Maybe get some blue players to reroll, who knows.

Probably not popular with a lot of people but whatever.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this is a pretty good post. But my opinion is that you can't fix this server the way people are asking without double or triple the population, and what is going on with RD/Nihilum at the high end isn't what is causing population issues.

What I think we can do though is talk about some changes that may keep people involved once they decided to start here, implement some of those changes and then have some events to attempt to grow the population.

I'd say my first suggestion would be put the PVP range to +/- 4 like RZ.

Another would be to increase exp rate bonus from 1-50.

The third would be to get commitment from guild leadership of all major guilds to have guild sponsored events for the lower level population. Be it level 20-30 PVP tournaments (Mrbigs could be a boss mob..take him down and win a CoF or something), guild plvl events, item raffles, whatever. Do what it takes to change the outside opinions. Maybe get some blue players to reroll, who knows.

Probably not popular with a lot of people but whatever.

A larger population would just add to the zerg and lag problems when it was 100 vs 100 in two guilds since Nihilum recruits no matter what their numbers are. You say this server needs population but you should be able to do any encounter with 24 people logged in. Instead there are 40+. If Nizzar had the choice between 60 members and 100 he would choose 100. If Nihilum did the right thing and instead of becoming the power house number 1 zerg, tried to become the power house number 1 elite guild, the server could be fun.

You wouldn't be in Nihilum at that point, so there is some added competition to the server right there.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A larger population would just add to the zerg and lag problems when it was 100 vs 100 in two guilds since Nihilum recruits no matter what their numbers are. You say this server needs population but you should be able to do any encounter with 24 people logged in. Instead there are 40+. If Nizzar had the choice between 60 members and 100 he would choose 100. If Nihilum did the right thing and instead of becoming the power house number 1 zerg, tried to become the power house number 1 elite guild, the server could be fun.

You wouldn't be in Nihilum at that point, so there is some added competition to the server right there.

I get my DKP from forumquesting, I might make the cut if the Duke is feeling generous.

It's funny you're basically asking Nizzar to cut his shittiest members so RD can recruit them though.

I've said this a few times to your posts but it just seems to me you just don't like EverQuest man, maybe try a different game?

[heartbrand]

While that's true Edward, the system is rigged to help make defecting the easy play.

[mikemandella]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While that's true Edward, the system is rigged to help make defecting the easy play.

HB! thanks for adding your input. Without going too far down tinfoil hat road. How do you mean? I don't think you mean the server is rigged, but that as a new player it's easy to jump to that conclusion. I can see where you are coming from, but in a quick bullet point form what are say the top 3 things you think would help!

Thanks man,


- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

If you don't think the end game here turns players away then I don't know what to tell you. While it is obviously not the only issue (the ghost town environment with zero groups from 1-60 is huge) it's a HUGE issue.

[quido]

I know HB - I think Nihilum is even more spineless and weak for taking apps they don't need just to spit in the opposition's face over some perceived slight.

[mikemandella]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know HB - I think Nihilum is even more spineless and weak for taking apps they don't need just to spit in the opposition's face over some perceived slight.

You know I respect you Jeremy, but without personal attacks from either side let's get our points out there and not scare away the GM's from adding input..

I'm gonna say that you think the guilds could come to some type of agreement? I am not involved with blue as much as you. Has being forced to work together on blue helped make it better for EVERYONE?

- Oppressor

[quido]

Originally Posted by mikemandella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know I respect you Jeremy, but without personal attacks from either side let's get our points out there and not scare away the GM's from adding input..

I'm gonna say that you think the guilds could come to some type of agreement? I am not involved with blue as much as you. Has being forced to work together on blue helped make it better for EVERYONE?

- Oppressor

I'm not trying to attack anyone in particular here - this is just the reality of the dynamic on red. There's no cure for being a weakling. I don't blame Nihilum for doing what they do - it is completely rational - but it makes for a crap box all the same.

I don't really feel like pontificating regarding blue at the moment.

I think shrinking the PvP level range is a good start. Aside from that and other ideas that have been shot down, I'm not sure what else can be done to help foster a better environment across the board here. Maybe people should recruit a different breed of people to this server instead of people who just want to make it to the top as quickly and effortlessly as possible. I don't know.