Why so many new guilds?

[bktroost]

I keep seeing posts about new guilds forming and I ask myself why that is. Some of them have specific goals like baking and crafting guilds and EC trading guilds. But there is such a wide variety of guilds out there now I wonder why people arn't just forming up with an established one.

I know I made AG years ago because, at the time, I looked into the character and goals of the other, more popular, guilds and couldn't find a casual raiding guild that didn't poopsock ect, still got mobs of some kind, had a family mentality and was generally well liked in the community. But I feel like things have changed, there are such a variety of guilds out there now and everyone seems to be getting loot of some kind.

So are we as leaders not doing enough to advertise our guilds and what we are like? Is there anything we can do to show our character more and be more approachable across the board? I know the video thing that Tiggles did was probably a step forward.

Any thoughts?

[skipdog]

Yep, new guilds are forming.

And you think it is because current guild leaders are not doing enough to advertise their guilds and what they are like? You sure managed to fit a nice advertisement for your own guild in your own post on server chat...

And you also think it is somehow a 'problem" that merits you making this post to speak to other guilds about preventing this 'problem' of 'new guilds being formed'?

Is this real life?

[Pint]

I'm also a little confused, why are new guilds an issue? Most new players probably don't want to be member #50 in a guild full of established players

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm also a little confused, why are new guilds an issue? Most new players probably don't want to be member #50 in a guild full of established players

I'd imagine they don't want to be guild member #5 of 10 either.

I think the comment is it's thinning the size of guilds too much, maybe? I'm not quite sure.

[Darkyle]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone seems to be getting loot of some kind.

I thought that was the idea of Class R coming around? Not flaming here just pointing out that was what everyone seemed to want.

[Danth]

Middle tier guilds come and go. Much of the time they take the same general pattern of initial recruitment with modest plans, followed by a taste of raiding, then wanting more and pushing more until they no longer resemble their original intent. Usually that's followed by internal turmoil and much of the core splitting away to one of the long-term established guilds with the rest of the guild breaking up 5 or 6 months later and the players drifting to other new guilds to begin the process anew.

I like a guild with no attendance policy, no DKP, and that's permanently happy to stick to second- or third-tier content. Such guilds are few and far between on P1999 since the great majority of established guilds are either high-end or wish they could be but can't really compete with the present top contenders. A couple of the newcomer guilds seem to suit me (for now) so I'll enjoy it for the time being and not worry about where things'll be 6 months hence.

Danth

[sox7d]

ITT: why are you wasting your time if you'll never raid?


interesting point, though. i remember when bregan was a spam guild ran by a retarded lvl 35 druid and tried to lead a raid on runnyeye.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Middle tier guilds come and go. Much of the time they take the same general pattern of initial recruitment with modest plans, followed by a taste of raiding, then wanting more and pushing more until they no longer resemble their original intent. Usually that's followed by internal turmoil and much of the core splitting away to one of the long-term established guilds with the rest of the guild breaking up 5 or 6 months later and the players drifting to other new guilds to begin the process anew.

I like a guild with no attendance policy, no DKP, and that's permanently happy to stick to second- or third-tier content. Such guilds are few and far between on P1999 since the great majority of established guilds are either high-end or wish they could be but can't really compete with the present top contenders. A couple of the newcomer guilds seem to suit me (for now) so I'll enjoy it for the time being and not worry about where things'll be 6 months hence.

Danth

Eh, that worked on live. There is no third tier content on p99. We've killed Maestro on pretty much every spawn for the last 5 years. And we'll continue to do so until hand starts dropping hands [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Danth]

Hi Heallun! I agree it's more problematic living in the lower tiers here than it was on Live, not necessarily due to the content though (I couldn't care less about what specific critters I do or don't fight) so much as because it feels as though a higher proportion of the player base here wants to see the high-end game. Hence lower-tier guilds on P99 seem to implode even more quickly than their Live equivalents tended to. I suspect a lot of folks on P99 didn't get to the top on Live and use P1999 to try to do the things they never got to do back in the day.

I can't fault them for that (we're all here for our own reasons), and can't complain either since I'm not willing to put forth the work of trying to run a guild myself (been there done that, hated it). Managed to do everything I've cared to do on P99 for Kunark in spite of the difficulties so it isn't so bad really. I'd prefer if I could find a modest-size guild of genuinely like-minded players, but if I don't, so be it.

Danth

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like a guild with no attendance policy, no DKP, and that's permanently happy to stick to second- or third-tier content.

DKP is the only way you could have a shot at a boss item in that sort of system so I guess I'm confused. Otherwise corrupt officer councils would horde and use favoritism over the rare kills. Just like a slew of loot councils guilds that have either come and gone, or are still around across the last four years.