Why Nihilum won’t go to a DKP system.

[Pikrib]

Nihilum tries to say they use a DKP system,

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nihilum uses a fair DKP system -- the only officer/leader input is in which classes can acquire X items first. The more you play, the more gear you get! Casuals still get their fair share, but obviously less than the hardcore players.

when in actuality it is a loot council where the officer core decides who gets loot.

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't really use a standard DKP system, it's more of attendance tracking and loot awarded by council.

There are several reasons that Nihilum tries to make people think that they use a DKP system now. Everyone knows that DKP systems are fairer. In a DKP system every person who shows up to raids acquires DKP and then is allowed to spend that DKP on specific loot that they want for their main or alt.

In Nihilum this is not the case. They don’t let you get loot unless it’s for a main, and then you have to purchase items for alts with plat. The Nihilum FQers will say that the cash goes to buying components; peridots, emeralds, sky/hate stones etc. I’m sure Nihilum had over a mil in plat. That was enough to keep them going for years. Why not allow people to spend DKP on pixels that they helped Nihilum earn?

The reason is very simple. It’s greed.

In Velious Nihilum says they will go to a “bid” DKP system instead of their current loot council. This is simply untrue. If they wanted to do a DKP system they would have done it by now. This is the perfect time to test a new DKP system instead of trying to drop it when Velious releases. By testing it now they could make changes and tweaks before Velious drops. The Nihilum leadership who farmed this box for years feels they deserve loot more than some new guy who showed up in the last few months. They will even change DKP logs to try to fool new members if they have to.

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

now, lets back up a bit, something went down in the guild that I'm not going to publicly address cause im not a scumbag, it was DKP related. and caused me to go through my personal logs and compare them to the DKP logs, i was at a 114dkp deficit with my brother who raids alot more than me missing quite a bit more than that. I looked at my competitors that i was neck and neck with over the course of a few months and would compare logs, there dkp was still advancing, staying above mine, when clearly according to my attendance logs i should be much further ahead. in jupes case it was much more clear a certain competitor of his who everyone clearly knows doesn't play was not only advancing but had jumped several hundred dkp out of thin air. This was clear targeted dkp manipulation.

By only giving loot to mains the leadership is able to keep a majority of the pixel farmed and profits from those pixels to themselves. They can use their loyal members to keep farming items, and not allow members to spend their hard earned DKP on items they helped farm.

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there isn't an RMT scheme, its individuals within the guild that do all the RMTing, nizzar takes a little off the top, its no big deal.

Leadership can even RMT items or plat for real cash if they can’t afford that case of Mt. Dew and hot pockets. Nihilum leadership gains nothing by using DKP, and the inner core looses free slave labor.

tl:dr version
Pikrib was bored at work and wanted to start a new thread.

[heartbrand]

I was one of the most vocal people in Nihilum for reform of the loot system, and I can sincerely say that the accountability is at an all time high currently. I wouldn't say its perfect, or even the system id use in my own guild, but it is fair.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was one of the most vocal people in Nihilum for reform of the loot system, and I can sincerely say that the accountability is at an all time high currently. I wouldn't say its perfect, or even the system id use in my own guild, but it is fair.

ROFL yaaa okay

[Gaffin 7.0]

loot council worked well in my guilds, like realm of insanity and a few others shrug

[Pikrib]

Really HB?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=156186

Really?

[Jib]

i heard gongshow got a crown of rile and PD robe 2 times in a row on 2 monks before 90% of the guild even got one.

I also heard gongshow say in TS he was too scared to take any kind of lead role in VP when azrael was contesting. he refused to pull or lead a pvp strike.

i havent heard much but about the nihi loot system besides the corruption i saw 3 years ago, but seems like not much has changed since then

[Jib]

i used to talk to vaporize in nihi ts and he was like REALLY pissed about the gongshow robes and crowns. only reason i know about it. feel kind bad for that vapo guy, he used to rant to me how hes underappreciated and the loot system is terrible in nihilum

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Jib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i used to talk to vaporize in nihi ts and he was like REALLY pissed about the gongshow robes and crowns. only reason i know about it. feel kind bad for that vapo guy, he used to rant to me how hes underappreciated and the loot system is terrible in nihilum

You mean Vaporize the BiS geared wizard officer of Nihilum?

Not sure if srs.

[Jib]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean Vaporize the BiS geared wizard officer of Nihilum?

Not sure if srs.

yep thats the guy im talkin about. try listening to the guy for a change, he almost broke off and started his own guild a few months ago

[Kergan]

Amazing how much people outside the guild care about how we handle our loot. Nobody in the guild bitches about it though.

Not sure where you got your bid dkp info but it aint happening.

We're a top tier guild bro, if you have no discretion on how loot is handled you wont be successful. Good luck progressing through Velious when rogues are taking huge +HP items over main tanks, or mages are getting flowing thought items over clerics because you want a completely transparent loot system with no loot council to make smart decisions.