Isn't there a better way to distribute raid loot? If not which is most fair?

[Rayzor84]

It currently seems like the raid loot systems in place all favor a small circle of members.

DKP favors those who have the ability to be on all the time, anytime, to accumulate points and repeatedly win gear.

Attendance works pretty much the same way but can also be skewed on the whim of the leader.

Loot council can become a problem if certain members become favored over others, in which case they receive loot while other members raid basically for nothing.

I understand every leader has their own inside crew that gets loot priority as well as epic help priority. The problem is that alot of people can't make all the raids due to life obligations, but we still do make a good amount of them and hope for gear upgrades. As an example, I've received one pair of planar gloves in over a month of raiding in which I made 4/5 raids (before the raid tines were changed to a time I basically almost never am able to make). I've had people with equal attendance of the same class receive multiple items in a row while I was given something that was rotting.

What's the best system to resolve this? As it stands I'm going to end up level 60 with one planar piece, old world gear, and under 10k in the bank easily especially with some high end spell purchases.

[Erati]

www.takenguild.com

our DKP system has been going strong now for 2 years

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

www.takenguild.com

our DKP system has been going strong now for 2 years

Hmmm, I seem to remember a certain half elf warrior who got all the loot in taken.
I guess that prophet has been lost to us however...

[Kreylyn]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It currently seems like the raid loot systems in place all favor a small circle of members.

DKP favors those who have the ability to be on all the time, anytime, to accumulate points and repeatedly win gear.

Attendance works pretty much the same way but can also be skewed on the whim of the leader.

Loot council can become a problem if certain members become favored over others, in which case they receive loot while other members raid basically for nothing.

I understand every leader has their own inside crew that gets loot priority as well as epic help priority. The problem is that alot of people can't make all the raids due to life obligations, but we still do make a good amount of them and hope for gear upgrades. As an example, I've received one pair of planar gloves in over a month of raiding in which I made 4/5 raids (before the raid tines were changed to a time I basically almost never am able to make). I've had people with equal attendance of the same class receive multiple items in a row while I was given something that was rotting.

What's the best system to resolve this? As it stands I'm going to end up level 60 with one planar piece, old world gear, and under 10k in the bank easily especially with some high end spell purchases.

Play solo... run pugs, declare your loot policy up front.

That's the only loot distro your gonna see that's "fair" and gets you your desired goal.

Krey

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Kreylyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play solo... run pugs, declare your loot policy up front.

That's the only loot distro your gonna see that's "fair" and gets you your desired goal.

Krey

I suppose that's an option, it seems like it'd be hard to run a raid with a pug though...

[Kreylyn]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose that's an option, it seems like it'd be hard to run a raid with a pug though...

Yes, it's hard to run a raid. This is why the loot systems you don't like are used. It's fairest in general for everyone based upon the group's goals.

Unfortunately, your goals do not match that of the groups in the timeline you prefer.

So... make it happen. ;p

Krey

[Valrok]

I have been on many sides of this fence in the years I have been playing mass multiplayer games. Generally it is a good idea to think of the guild as a whole before you think of any individual member and make decisions based on what the guild needs to be successful.
The guild over time accumulates a stockpile of loot and eventually begins gearing alts and non raiding members of the guild. If you are online and playing during the vast majority of these raids then you will by default generally gear your character out simply from no one else being able to use the gear or already having better.

Lets use the gear from plane of hate for instance. You run into Hate once every week or two for a solid year and do nothing but clear trash. Months in you already have most of the members that can obtain usable gear from Hate geared to the tits. You continue to show up and pieces continue to drop so you eventually gear up because no one is there to obtain the loot anyhow with the exception of alts. This is where the member takes priority and gains the drops he needs if he is a casual raider and still has slots to fill.

DKP being passed down from main to their alt and things of this nature can absolutely hinder a casual raiding member of a guild from progressing very fast though. I quit participating in DKP many years ago.

This has just been my experience. I play the game to have a good time and to enjoy the game and people that I play with. The gear is a bi-product of that.

[TrendyDru]

Originally Posted by Kreylyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

run pugs, declare your loot policy up front.

That's the only loot distro your gonna see that's "fair" and gets you your desired goal.

Krey

I tried this and I got flamed into oblivion. I'm sure some ForumQuester has it bookmarked but I'm not going to give the link. For fear of thread derailment.

Inb4 iruined posts it.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by TrendyDru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tried this and I got flamed into oblivion. I'm sure some ForumQuester has it bookmarked but I'm not going to give the link. For fear of thread derailment.

Inb4 iruined posts it.

Ha that thread was great. Come farm spells with me. I'm calling dibs on Torpor.

[TrendyDru]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ha that thread was great. Come farm spells with me. I'm calling dibs on Torpor.

Dibs is a legitimate opening line. Which holds up in a court of law.

"Your honor, my client clearly called dibs."