Clearly no one is addressing this but WTF

[knix]

Originally Posted by colicab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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All wearing <Tramp> stamps! Great beginning to this new partnership with our Rampage pals.

Lets hear the details of the "new partnership" inquiring minds want to know.

What made you leave the previous affiliation? Divinity? anyone?
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[knix]

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Wait wrong two, it was Sammy and Mike. They all look a like just extra bodies, to the people who disillusionly think they are the best.

[Mead]

Certain Forsaken members on suicide watch. At least the Sleeper will be safe.

[jcr4990]

I would like to know what happened as well. I left town to visit family for holidays and haven't been playing EQ and I randomly hear that Taken left FA and is working with Rampage now. First of all LOL. Second anyone know what caused this to happen? Stand up Taken members finally have enough of Forsaken's shady bullshit? Decided to join the winning team?

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to know what happened as well. I left town to visit family for holidays and haven't been playing EQ and I randomly hear that Taken left FA and is working with Rampage now. First of all LOL. Second anyone know what caused this to happen? Stand up Taken members finally have enough of Forsaken's shady bullshit? Decided to join the winning team?

A better pixel package. 2nd pick on all northwing mobs, except vulak(formerly they wern't in northwing). A 1 in 2 raid forces shot instead of 1 in 3 shot on mobs they formerly worked with FA.

Not a "Stand up Taken members finally have enough of Forsaken's shady bullshit".

As for this "Decided to join the winning team" mentality I don't get it. Nobody back in the day decided hey lets help TMO dominate the server more. Those days were terrible. Rampage offered this deal to break down their only opposition, should FA fall, taken will be kicked to the curb and it will be back to like it was with only TMO controlling everything.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody back in the day decided hey lets help TMO dominate the server more. Those days were terrible

Agreed but its not exactly the same comparison to today. Primarily cause TMO was full of mostly shitheads with (very) few cool ppl. Rampage in my experience is full of mostly cool ppl with a few shitheads but that happens with almost any guild. So that's difference number 1. Difference number 2 is when TMO dominated the server they literally controlled every raid target in the game. With Velious out there's simply too many targets for 1 guild to get them all. Rampage gives basically 0 fucks about almost all Kunark targets from what I've seen. There's also several Velious targets they basically never touch. Again not really the same situation as TMO. But while we're bashing TMO did you somehow forget the leadership of the FA alliance that you're a part of is a bunch of ex-TMO clowns?

[tortue ninja]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we're bashing TMO did you somehow forget the leadership of the FA alliance that you're a part of is a bunch of ex-TMO clowns?

Actually the core of ex-TMO who dominated this server are either in Rampage, retired, or playing red. Those ex-TMO clowns as u call them from late TMO were absolutely not part of the tmo leadership that dominated p99.

[knix]

Originally Posted by tortue ninja [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the core of ex-TMO who dominated this server are either in Rampage, retired, or playing red. Those ex-TMO clowns as u call them from late TMO were absolutely not part of the tmo leadership that dominated p99.

I will vouch for this as well. Not many in Forsaken are old TMO. And TBH I still can't fathom how OLD TMO can justify joining IB. We fought hard against IB and their bullshit. Now there are more TMO in IB than IB, yet you let them lead you?

"oh its not old IB" umm wrong Hokushin and that weasel Feign and others are exactly old IB in my books.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed but its not exactly the same comparison to today. Primarily cause TMO was full of mostly shitheads with (very) few cool ppl. Rampage in my experience is full of mostly cool ppl with a few shitheads but that happens with almost any guild. So that's difference number 1. Difference number 2 is when TMO dominated the server they literally controlled every raid target in the game. With Velious out there's simply too many targets for 1 guild to get them all. Rampage gives basically 0 fucks about almost all Kunark targets from what I've seen. There's also several Velious targets they basically never touch. Again not really the same situation as TMO. But while we're bashing TMO did you somehow forget the leadership of the FA alliance that you're a part of is a bunch of ex-TMO clowns?

When IB folded and mostly rmt'ed off the server, a good chunk of those people that stayed rolled into TMO. When IB was reformed those people came back out TMO. As TMO folded yet even more members jumped ship onto IB (then rolled into Rampage) So maybe 1/3 to 1/2 or something of rampage is ex-TMO, maybe reasonable to say?

Right now taken benefits with northwing loot that is now available to them, sleepers tomb, and a smaller raid force pools to get loot that FA(T) was getting. Rampage benefits as it probably knocked FA from killing AoW effectively, CT maybe, other FA(T) targets maybe due to smaller pool of raid people availability. BDA benefits because now they will have an uncontested VP soon, and other targets in kunark they went after against taken, due to how spread out higher priority targets have gotten.

But lets look out a possible scenario a bit out further. FA is repeatedly crushed and looses. Kicked out of northwing and all other high end targets, and rampage wins. There won't be a need for taken anymore, they can do all this stuff on their own already. If there is nobody to contest mobs from rampage, then they can just hold off and kill them at their own leisure, aka how TMO rolled with VP locked as their own. I wouldn't be surprised if rampage starts showing up in VP/sev/trak/VS, because nobody is going to steal that hard stuff from them. So now taken will probably roll back onto old kunark targets/vp. Some assemblage of Forsaken/Asgard will also be rolling back onto old kunark targets/vp. Honestly that is a fuck ton of mess of everyone back in kunark, and its bad for everyone that enjoys raiding.