WOuld one of our presidential peoples care to comment on ...

[maerilith]

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http://imgur.com/gallery/yPc7WX8

and the poor kid who killed himself over at MIT? Aaron Swartz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I0o37MKFAQ

These politicians and the companies that source them and the media the sources them are the ones that make the laws that stand in the way of progress, prosperity, freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

This is why, genuinely people lover Berni Sanders. At least he is willing to admit that the power elite need to be put into check (p.s. don't worry about your middle class income) it's going to be stolen from you by the rich, the poor don't want it.

[Uuruk]

Summing this thread up to downs/tranny

[maskedmelon]

He broke the law and is responsible for his actions. Whether he agreed with the law or the practices of publishers of academic papers is irrelevant.

He could have worked within the law to establish an alternative non-profit publishing service for academic papers. Instead he chose to take a short cut and take something from someone else, because he felt he (and others) had a right to it.

Had he not taken the easy route, he would probably still be alive and might have lived to realize his dream of freer access to knowledge.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He broke the law and is responsible for his actions. Whether he agreed with the law or the practices of publishers of academic papers is irrelevant.

He could have worked within the law to establish an alternative non-profit publishing service for academic papers. Instead he chose to take a short cut and take something from someone else, because he felt he (and others) had a right to it.

Had he not taken the easy route, he would probably still be alive and might have lived to realize his dream of freer access to knowledge.

this is seriously not how the copywrite on these papers works, it's not like a public library of sorts could be made under the current law - they aren't protected speech and they aren't selling the papers, their only selling "licenses to view them" (smart but evil, and circumventing the letter of the law)

this kid was 10x smarter than most people and knew it, he did the best he could, which was act outside the laws which aren't going to change because people like you want to ignore the LETTER OF THE THE LAW and the RAMIFCATIONS of the laws as they are improperly enforced to the 19th degree

He was also held on trumped up charges, not just simply civil penalties for "sharing written works"

He didn't sell OR make profit on anything

He was put to the firing squad and saw his life ruined and was threatened by illuminati scumlords (or the enemies of the illuminati, who knows, the statue of liberty is pretty) but you know...

Also it was a high ranking judicial person (i can't remember their name, but like way up the totem pole) in the supreme courts/judicial branch that wanted Aarons balls on a grill. He was being pressured by people who really didn't have the right or authority to execute the prosecution the way they did, but did anyway because they COULD "technically" because the "law allowed it" because they are FRIENDS with elsiviere CEOs and corrupt as fucking hell

shits pretty fucked

And before you discount him as criminal scum, the kid was politically active trying to make any change he could outside of breaking the law. It's not like he just smoked some weed and thought it would be cool. He really did care about his ideology that information should be free, especially WHEN FUNDED BY TAXPAYER RESEARCH, STUDENTS, AND GRANTS. (WHICH IT IS NOT)

These papers aren't something Elseviere produced or payed for they are something they con the universities out of in order for the universities to have a chance at staying in business. It's piracy at financial knifepoint.

The actual research is done via charity practically.

If you want to argue... the regulatory side (cars and drivers on roads need regulation) that's a FLAWED model because it's A. not watched over by the government for the benefit of the public, B. it's not a dangerous activity that is a privilege (information and science and culture is a right), and C. it's already payed for

The day "FAIR USE" actually gets enforced under the copywrite laws, the I'll agree to your point of view.

It is not however enforced. Pretty much anything that becomes public domain is instantly re-grabbed by the likes of big corporations (how many versions of an old movie or book do we have were there were some edts, and different character names?) and instantly reformatted and then the big corporate bullies bully anyone who wants to maintain the originals (the lord of the rings books, were resold in order to extend their copywrites) etc... just seriously... research

You're a smart autistic child Masked, you should know better.

TLDR limited copywrite as originally intended, without the loopholes modern tech/society has produced + FAIR USE was a legitimately good idea. but is no longer SERVING THE GREATER GOOD as was INTENDED IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW. GO read dumbfuck.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this kid was 10x smarter than most people and knew it

Arrogance is not often considered a virtue. It most assuredly played a role in that young man's downfall.

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't sell OR make profit on anything

That is irrelevant. He gained unauthorized access to restricted space ( digital, not th broom closet) and appropriated property that was not his own. Prohibition on such conduct is reasonable and respective law is appropriate.

No matter how noble the cause, criminality in its pursuit remains criminality.

If he felt the information should be freely accessible, he could have acquired copies of the papers legally and then given the information away. To him the cause was not worth that great of an investment.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He broke the law and is responsible for his actions. Whether he agreed with the law or the practices of publishers of academic papers is irrelevant.

He could have worked within the law to establish an alternative non-profit publishing service for academic papers. Instead he chose to take a short cut and take something from someone else, because he felt he (and others) had a right to it.

Had he not taken the easy route, he would probably still be alive and might have lived to realize his dream of freer access to knowledge.

lol if you really think IP/copyright law can be changed with rational argument

no my friend, it's time for forks and knives

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol if you really think IP/copyright law can be changed with rational argument

no my friend, it's time for forks and knives

maskedmelons top and bottom surgeries were payed by the establishment and they're training and privileged positions in society ensure that maskedmelon will no longer ever be able to take a step back and look at what she's doing to herself and others objectively.

maskedmelon is far to superior to the rest of us to even bother argueing her point outside of "you evil scum are THEIVES" PRIACY IS EVIAUZLZ 111!!! it's like SHOOTING PEOPLE AND Taking# their BABIEZ

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maskedmelon is far to superior to the rest of us to even bother argueing her point outside of "you evil scum are THEIVES" PRIACY IS EVIAUZLZ 111!!! it's like SHOOTING PEOPLE AND Taking# their BABIEZ

I didn't realize that is how it sounded. I've merely pointed out:

1. He broke laws
2. He could have achieved a better result had he not

I do think theft is wrong though.

[Jauna]

So some little kid stole stuff worth lots of cash, then spread it around, could not handle the pressure of the fallout of his actions and took the easy way out?

At least when Robin Hood did this he kept on going until he was caught and executed.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So some little kid stole stuff worth lots of cash, then spread it around, could not handle the pressure of the fallout of his actions and took the easy way out?

At least when Robin Hood did this he kept on going until he was caught and executed.

You don't even dignify a response, so HAI!!!!! WULD U LIEK 2 BUY A COPY OF MY PoSTs For 2 CENT's PER VIEWZ? PLZ DO NOT RETRANZMIET OR I WILL BE FORCED 2 SEND U 2 TRAITOR JAIL4LyF# becauze UR A PIRAT#&K811ddY (This includes CACHED copies on your ISP who'm we already made a deal with)