Let's talk about stamina!

**nilbog** · #1 12-09-2010, 02:10 PM

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December 18th, 2003.

The yellow bar now represents endurance rather than stamina.
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20031218.html

Stamina bar is classic! Endurance bar is... non-classic.

Why is stamina not frequently discussed?

Has it been forgotten? It used to have a strong effect on daily gameplay.

-while swimming, you lost stamina
-swinging your weapons, you lost stamina based on their weight
-"zing" spells, invigor etc had a use
-having 100stamina was important, as it negated a minor stat/attack speed reduction
-jumping should consume like 10% of your bar with each jump

Run out of stamina? Not good.. you walk slower and can't jump.

This will become more relevant with Kunark weapons.. because they were heavy.

i.e. Wurmslayer's good stats and damage should be negated by the fact it weighs 15lbs.

Does anyone remember a good weapon weight ratio? What weapons could you swing and not have to worry about stamina? When did weight become a problem, 5lbs, 8lbs?

Discuss.

Qenaden · #2 12-09-2010, 02:17 PM

WTF is endurance? I know my stamina bar goes down when I jump. Not sure about the rest.

Lazortag · #3 12-09-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stamina bar is classic! Endurance bar is... non-classic.

Why is stamina not frequently discussed?

Has it been forgotten? It used to have a strong affect on daily gameplay.

-while swimming, you lost stamina
-swinging your weapons, you lost stamina based on their weight
-"zing" spells, invigor etc had a use
-having 100stamina was important, as it negated a minor stat/attack speed reduction
-jumping should consume like 10% of your bar with each jump

Run out of stamina? Not good.. you walk slower and can't jump.

This will become more relevant with Kunark weapons.. because they were heavy.

i.e. Wurmslayer's good stats and damage should be negated by the fact it weighs 15lbs.

Does anyone remember a good weapon weight ratio? What weapons could you swing and not have to worry about stamina? When did weight become a problem, 5lbs, 8lbs?

Discuss.

I seem to remember that if you were encumbered and ran for a long time, you lost more stamina than you gained, and eventually you'd have to start walking/sitting to regain it. Is there a source on all this?

Akame · #4 12-09-2010, 02:21 PM

Endurance = Warriors mana pool when their skill/discs came out. I could add 500 hate every some odd 45 seconds but it cost x amount of Endurance. Defensive/evasive discs cost Endurance per tick, etc. It all became a mana pool of aggro control vs endurance regen.

Edit: I do have to say I don't recall swimming being something that readily drained your stamina, I don't ever recall needing invigor on a kedge raid, but I have zero in formation to base that memory on.

guineapig · #5 12-09-2010, 02:21 PM

All I can add is that I do recall back when being an enchanter also included the job of making sure the melee had enough stamina during exp grinds. It was indeed a huge thing to have somebody in your group that could help with stamina regen. In my opinion it was one of the great things that set EQ apart from the other MMO's.

They really did factor gear weight in to as many aspects of the game as possible.

Lazortag · #6 12-09-2010, 02:24 PM

Keep in mind there's a bard song (level 3) that regenerates stamina. Just saying!

guineapig · #7 12-09-2010, 02:34 PM

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Keep in mind there's a bard song (level 3) that regenerates stamina. Just saying!

No doubt! Clerics don't get Invogor till 9 and paladins get it at 22. Rangers get it at 30 I think. Druids get it at 14, shaman and enchanters at 24.

I even think they gave it to Beastlords later on.
Then of course there are the upgrades at later levels.

There is a reason why this spell was available to so many classes. The game was designed for that stamina bar to be very important.

Qenaden · #8 12-09-2010, 02:26 PM

does this mean monks dont have to worry about weight on p99?

Kender · #9 12-09-2010, 03:09 PM

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does this mean monks dont have to worry about weight on p99?

yes they do. if they go over their soft caps they lose their AC bonus (graduated loss based on how over the limit they are)

Loke · #10 12-09-2010, 03:16 PM

Chanus, familiar with their weights. What I was asking is if 2hb were subject to the same stamina deal as 1hb, or if there is some different formula for different weapons skills (i.e. 2hands can swing twice the weight or something).