Is leapfrogging a group to a camp allowed?

[mev]

Recently, my group was clearing the way to efreeti in SolB. We were pulling to the lilly pads and had cleared halfway to it. A group runs through our camp after we indicated that we were camping efreeti and clearing to it, and then they beat us to it.

I thought that
1) Efreeti was one camp, so they wouldn't have a claim on it if we we already at it, even if we were pulling to lilly pads rather than efreeti room.
2) Even if the only efreeti camp was in the room, leapfrogging over another group that was clearing to a camp was frowned on because otherwise there would be a strong incentive to wait around for a different group to start clearing something before you charge in at the last moment.

Is that not right?

The group was very gracious (when we tried to beat them at leapfrogging and failed, they rezzed us), but the experience as a whole still felt pretty bad, and they stayed there for hours.

[Tasslehofp99]

You can't claim a camp if its a full spawn and the PH is up. That is probably why they breezed by you. This is deffinetly an asshole move to do to people but it will happen until you're in the actual camp area and have cleared the PH's.

Usually, when people are calling a camp and clearing to it, people will leave them to it. It sounds to me like you got that 1 out of 10 people who just has to be a dickhead though.

[mev]

Cool, good to know. Thanks for the information!

[Caroc]

name and shame these horrible people

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Caroc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

name and shame these horrible people

+1. I want to who not to help with anything.

[mev]

Originally Posted by Caroc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

name and shame these horrible people

I don't want to shame anyone. What's done is done. It seems like the community standards on this point indicate that what they did was okay, if rude. That might indicate a problem with the community standards, but I wouldn't hold it against the group for doing something that the community says is okay.

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to be able to push into efreeti camp and hold it.

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If you're pulling them across the lilly pads at all you're technically not in efreeti camp. If you can keep all the mobs down in efreeti camp then you are technically camping it.

We weren't pulling across the lilly pads; we were pulling to the lilly pads (the lower right corner of your green box). We had cleared everything up to your upper right blue dot and were about to move there to start clearing the room when the other group came.

We were clearing them quickly enough to just hold the camp, but about half of the mobs were still up because we just got there a few minutes ago.

Originally Posted by manguard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were any tells sent at all? Or was this all done passive aggressively in OOC?

We saw them running past us. We let them know that it was camped in OOC (at this point, I believe our two groups were the only ones in the zone, so it shouldn't have been construed as passive aggressive). They said that starting to clear a camp didn't count as holding it and that they were going to run past us and kill efreeti.

Originally Posted by EQBallzz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't seem as simple as "clear faster" because the only reason the leap frogging group can "clear faster" is because the way has been cleared by the first group.

That's more or less the root of my question. When doing King in Sebilis, for instance, clearing the jail and the portal room are more difficult than actually pulling the king, so it would seem very weird if it were considered legitimate for one group to clear those two and for another group to pull the king while they were finishing off the portal room.

That said, this group would have still been able to clear faster than us even if we hadn't cleared half the camp -- we were a duo, and they were a full, balanced group from a top raid guild with what appeared to be much better gear than us.

[RDawg816]

Originally Posted by mev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... they were a full, balanced group from a top raid guild with what appeared to be much better gear than us.

That explains a lot. Typically, members of top raid guilds act like this almost exclusively. There is no middle ground with them. They go out of their way to be jerks and don't care how many people they upset along the way. They have that raid/race/rule-lawyer mentality 24/7.

[maskedmelon]

People need to stop identifying as victims and viewing everyone as assholes ^^ Learn the rules, play within them and congratulate the winner when you lose. There are lots of things to do in Norrath and having more time to waste does not entitle you to something anymore than someone else ^^ Be a good sport and have fun!

[Ragain]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People need to stop identifying as victims and viewing everyone as assholes ^^ Learn the rules, play within them and congratulate the winner when you lose. There are lots of things to do in Norrath and having more time to waste does not entitle you to something anymore than someone else ^^ Be a good sport and have fun!

You don't have to technically follow the queue to order food at McDonalds, or follow any other queue, but it may work a few times, but eventually someone is going to speak up with your very rude behavior.

[manguard]

Originally Posted by mev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They said that starting to clear a camp didn't count as holding it and that they were going to run past us and kill efreeti.

There you have it. They were rushing into camp because they could. If you really wanted the camp you could've continued to negotiate, or just do what you did and let the bergs berg.