Plane of Mischief Camp Rules

[Gekki]

For as long as I remember in POM, I've been told if you camp A4 brenn/grenn, leave the camp to go to another room, and someone else enters the A4 brenn/grenn room, then the person who most recently entered the room gains ownership over the camp (if there is no one else in the room who has camp ownership). I mentioned this to someone today, and they brought up the point that there is no documentation of this rule posted anywhere. For the past year, almost everyone in Plane of Mischief I encountered strictly followed this rule, so I assumed it was absolute.

In the rules regarding camps, the statement is contradictory, saying "In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it."

I always assumed that to "maintain a presence" at a camp in POM then you must be in the room.

By the the official server rules someone could kill every mob in plane of mischief, until someone wants to wait in a room for 1 hour and 10 minutes, and then that camp holder can come back and kick them out of the room and say they can have say 22 instead of brenn/grenn? At least that's one way it could be interpreted.

Could someone please clarify on plane of mischief camp rules here? Someone please confirm the POM "room rule" for me with documentation. Any GM input would be helpful.

Thank you,

Gekki

[Raev]

This is why the only camp I do in POM is the puppets. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and rule lawyering antisocial villainy than A4 (Lunatick being exhibit A). If I were camping the puppets on Loraen and I left for 3 minutes before respawn to charm A1 Brenn and some shaman shows up and claims the camp, I'm going to ignore him.

[Gekki]

Haha, Raev. The scenario I encountered today was particularly annoying. I showed up to Brenn/Grenn room and looked around not seeing anyone, and double checking that nobody else was in the room. I waited in the room for 20 minutes before spawn, and even got the Grenn down to 80%, and a player showed up saying that he had killed the PHes for the past few hours. He even said that that he was always in the room, and I'm about 99% sure he wasn't. He asked why I didn't call a CC. As I'm fighting the Grenn, he engaged the other hobbit, Brenn. The whole scenario didn't sit well with me, but I decided not to deal with it and left.

Then he asked me to find evidence supporting the rule that you have to be in the room to maintain camp ownership. I couldn't find anything specific regarding this rule.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Gekki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha, Raev. The scenario I encountered today was particularly annoying. I showed up to Brenn/Grenn room and looked around not seeing anyone, and double checking that nobody else was in the room. I waited in the room for 20 minutes before spawn, and even got the Grenn down to 80%, and a player showed up saying that he had killed the PHes for the past few hours. He even said that that he was always in the room, and I'm about 99% sure he wasn't. He asked why I didn't call a CC. As I'm fighting the Grenn, he engaged the other hobbit, Brenn. The whole scenario didn't sit well with me, but I decided not to deal with it and left.

Then he asked me to find evidence supporting the rule that you have to be in the room to maintain camp ownership. I couldn't find anything specific regarding this rule.

Didn't engage immediately on spawn, not holding the camp. gg ez no re

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't engage immediately on spawn, not holding the camp. gg ez no re

This, right here, is in the rules. And I'm paraphrasing here, but, if a player is claiming a "camp" then have to be ready and able to kill the mobs as they spawn. Depending on spawn timers, this makes it possible to "camp" a large section of a zone. But it doesn't mean you don't have to be there, and ready and able to engage when they pop.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, right here, is in the rules. And I'm paraphrasing here, but, if a player is claiming a "camp" then have to be ready and able to kill the mobs as they spawn. Depending on spawn timers, this makes it possible to "camp" a large section of a zone. But it doesn't mean you don't have to be there, and ready and able to engage when they pop.

That's incorrect, read the forum post on it. If you are camping two or more spawns, you do not necessarily have to be at both spawns, if someone comes in and does a camp check the person who was camping gets to choose which camp they want but must concede the other(s) if others want a camp.

Sure its different if the camp is fully repopped and nothings been killed but its still polite to ask.

To the OP, if you zone in why not just do a camp check and if someone claims multiple camps then they will need to concede one for you, then you won't be kicked out of the room because you've worked it out already?

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's incorrect, read the forum post on it. If you are camping two or more spawns, you do not necessarily have to be at both spawns, if someone comes in and does a camp check the person who was camping gets to choose which camp they want but must concede the other(s) if others want a camp.

Sure its different if the camp is fully repopped and nothings been killed but its still polite to ask.

To the OP, if you zone in why not just do a camp check and if someone claims multiple camps then they will need to concede one for you, then you won't be kicked out of the room because you've worked it out already?

The forum post states that you must keep placeholders clear for it to be considered camped. Sounds like OP was alone in an empty room. Mobs spawned, and sometime later another player showed up and claimed it as his. If he wasn't there to kill them as they spawned then he wasn't holding the camp.

He might have been holding the camp, and afk'ed to long or d/c'ed or wife agro or whatever. But as the rules go, I don't think OP was in the wrong if it went down like he said.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's incorrect, read the forum post on it. If you are camping two or more spawns, you do not necessarily have to be at both spawns, if someone comes in and does a camp check the person who was camping gets to choose which camp they want but must concede the other(s) if others want a camp.

Sure its different if the camp is fully repopped and nothings been killed but its still polite to ask.

To the OP, if you zone in why not just do a camp check and if someone claims multiple camps then they will need to concede one for you, then you won't be kicked out of the room because you've worked it out already?

This only applies if you are actively clearing both camps. If mobs are up, and not killed with no presence maintained you do not have that camp. He was at the camp with both mobs up, and waited to see if they were engaged.. They were not.

No maintained presence + not engaging immediately on spawn = not your camp. You don't get to get around to it "whenever you feel like" or "when the other mobs are dead" -- you have to engage immediately or you can not claim it.

[Tupakk]

You got played. If he wasn't in there then he prolly was logging in to do the kills then out to do other stuff.

You should of stood your ground.

[Gekki]

Meh, my RL friend wanted to play at the time. If that wasnt the case then I would have stood my ground. Noted on the camp check. It's just something I've never seen done in POM in the past. People are generally AFK for an hour in between spawns.