Alone in classic on an infinite timeline

[sox7d]

Thought experiment: What would one player be capable of with infinite time on a P99-like server if they were the only one on it? Where would they hit a wall in progress? What would be the hardest thing they could obtain?

[Hibbs]

Every class would be a bit different. I feel like ENC would be the top notch pick.. not trying to be bias lol

It would be tough to gain spells 55+

Even spells like Allure would be tough. 1 page is easy but the other one only drops out of planes/ bottom of seb

I don't think any class would be able to obtain an epic solo

[Tethler]

Assuming you mean no boxing as well?

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming you mean no boxing as well?

Correct! Although, a two-box is an equally interesting idea.

[Foxplay]

Alone with no boxing... best your ganna do is a enchanter. Shaman needs gear and epic in order to compete / exceed what a enchanter can do with rags

Most you could achieve? In terms of gearing you could get a full set of thurgadin silk by charming kael and scrounging for armor drops

Raid bosses are completely out of the question...Kael / HoT armor is completely impossible as well as nothing is charmable there and even if you could charm the baby drakes near Eashen on p99 they still cant go toe to toe with a HoT mob

[loramin]

A Shaman couldn't get a fungi, but I think they could farm an Ikky BP. They could also solo the OT golem (it would take forever without malo but I'd think eventually you'd luck out and land stuff) to eventually get Torpor. Epic would be impossible without some serious cheats/hacks, although that raises the question: what rules and/or imaginary GMs are there are on this server?

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Shaman couldn't get a fungi, but I think they could farm an Ikky BP. They could also solo the OT golem (it would take forever without malo but I'd think eventually you'd luck out and land stuff) to eventually get Torpor. Epic would be impossible without some serious cheats/hacks, although that raises the question: what rules and/or imaginary GMs are there are on this server?

Can shamans actually solo cliff golems without torpor? If so, i would love to see it. I just can't even really imagine this being possible.

[Rygar]

I think back in the day an SK soloed his final epic fight. He basically got bound right by Lhranc and bind rushed him with HT (was more unresistable back then, not talking P99 mechanics). Was like, a ton of corpses. I don't know if this was Luclin or PoP to be fair.

I think it would be interesting to use tactics like that. I think you can definitely beat a lot of Kunark bosses. Consider that you can maybe corpse soulfires / DA idols / wort pots / Ivandyr Hoops / Bladestoppers, etc. in order to do some serious bind rush damage. Corpsing items would be interesting, because you'd lose exp doing it each time and corpse only lasts so long (probably best to do this on a classic Red server where you can take a zero exp death by drowning / falling).

It would just become about clickies, which quickly becomes lame and tiresome! Think that is why they were banned from Test of Tactics.

Kind of cool to think about though.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Maschenny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can shamans actually solo cliff golems without torpor? If so, i would love to see it. I just can't even really imagine this being possible.

Well, I'm operating on the assumption of infinite time, so the question isn't so much "can a Shaman do it without Malo or Torpor", it's more "if you tried a million times, would one of those attempts be super lucky and let you land everything you need to kill the golem (without Malo/Torpor)?" Because with infinite time you can take those million tries (and earn back the XP lost from each).

So like maybe normally it's impossible to root/rot the golem, but if there's even a 0.1% chance that you can land root, then in theory if you make enough attempts, you'll get an attempt where both roots and the DoTs manage to land, despite it being incredibly unlikely, and so you'd manage to kill the golem.

And if it "only" takes a million attempts to kill a single golem, then with infinite time you can totally make the thousand million attempts to get enough kills to actually loot Malo/Torpor.

Infinite time EQ is weird (but a fun thought experiment, thanks OP!)

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm operating on the assumption of infinite time, so the question isn't so much "can a Shaman do it without Malo or Torpor", it's more "if you tried a million times, would one of those attempts be super lucky and let you land everything you need to kill the golem (without Malo/Torpor)?" Because with infinite time you can take those million tries (and earn back the XP lost from each).

So like maybe normally it's impossible to root/rot the golem, but if there's even a 0.1% chance that you can land root, then in theory if you make enough attempts, you'll get an attempt where both roots and the DoTs manage to land, despite it being incredibly unlikely, and so you'd manage to kill the golem.

And if it "only" takes a million attempts to kill a single golem, then with infinite time you can totally make the thousand million attempts to get enough kills to actually loot Malo/Torpor.

Infinite time EQ is weird (but a fun thought experiment, thanks OP!)

You guys are missing the easier possibility....

This person could use a Enchanter to do the early "heavy lifting" Tash, land slow, use
Astral projection as charm to solo the Golems, then ground xfer Torpor (after lots and lots of farming.... dying to charm breaks / ETC

(Tash and slow are vendor spells *Well Forlorn's isnt but its not 60 either*) And Boltran can be used to substitue for Allure until you get the proper pages

However then the question becomes.... is a non epic Torpor Shaman stronger than a well played enchanter? Probably not... they could be equal but I really don't see a Torpor shaman without epic exceeding a well played enchanter