Red99 Will Fail - Terrible Idea

[Doors]

Just like the last box, this one if it ever happens will undoubtedly fail. The mods that invest the time and money into red99 will regret their decision to actually host a pvp server for the degenerates that actually want one in a matter of months. Red99 will be a bust like all other previous attempts at a solid pvp box for multiple reasons including but not limited to:

1. Fags - in other words whats known as the player base for any EQ pvp server. These people will neither donate or support the GMs that make red99 possible. They feign interest and support for the current GMs. I would bet actual money that within a month of red99 going live they accuse the same people of favoritism and other bullshit that happens on pvp boxes.

2. Cheating - Zone crashing, MQ, ShowEQ, training, duping - you name it, its going to happen on red99 constantly. All of these will be rampant problems on red99. Always have been problems on other previous boxes, these problems and problem players haven't suddenly gone away. Granted they exist on p99 right now, their significance is going to be amplified when they're used to grief the player base which is going to result in floods of petitions for GMs on red99 on a daily basis.

3. Money - Getting donations for just p99 is hard enough, the player base for red99 isn't going to donate anything. They will abuse whatever aspects they can to grief for as long as possible before red99 is inevitably brought down due to lack of funds/frustration over cheating/lack of interest on the part of the GMs which brings me to my next point.

4. Population - Not only will red99 jepordize a good, stable population of a successful private server, the money required to run red99 could also jepordize p99's server in case donations don't roll in for red99 (which i can guarantee they won't.) The cost of maintaining two private servers could end up bringing both p99 and red99 down if things got bad.

Conclusion - ditch this shit idea of a pvp box. The minority isn't worth appeasing if it means jeopardizing a solid private server thats almost over 1k players at peek times. Don't risk p99 and its solid population to appease people that could care less about your project. They won't donate, beta test, or support your project. If you think they care at all about what it costs and takes to maintain both red99 and p99 you're kidding yourself.

[Tombom]

Thats a pretty desperate wall of text, calm down and let the big GMs and Devs figure out what they want to do, go wait in line for pixels, I hear that Tstaff is a fun time.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Tombom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a pretty desperate wall of text, calm down and let the big GMs and Devs figure out what they want to do, go wait in line for pixels, I hear that Tstaff is a fun time.

Listen I know you're super excited and probably giving out forum fellatio to the current GMs so you can get on red99 and grief as hard as possible before they inevitably ban you for MQ, but every point I've made is valid and true. I've played on the previous boxes and they all end in failure for the same reasons.

Feel free to keep throwing around the generic flavor of the month forum insults about me being mad though since you can't counter any of the arguments I just made. It's cute watching idiots get flustered.

[Tombom]

The issues you are QQing about really don't concern you too much breh, you are actually coming off like a total "fag" (please try not to be so biggoted in the future) by trying to talk down to a group of experienced Gms and Devs like they are children walking into a trap. Respect the adults and please proceed to RnF to continue your trollins

[ooantipostoo]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Listen I know you're super excited and probably giving out forum fellatio to the current GMs so you can get on red99 and grief as hard as possible before they inevitably ban you for MQ, but every point I've made is valid and true. I've played on the previous boxes and they all end in failure for the same reasons.

Feel free to keep throwing around the generic flavor of the month forum insults about me being mad though since you can't counter any of the arguments I just made. It's cute watching idiots get flustered.

See this is where it is Tuff. I see how you could say it has the ability to fail but, if The community pulls together and are willing to compromise with each other and the GMs. People have to realize that there are going to be things they don't agree with.

Now about the server failing just for being PVP is kinda off. I mean I personally only see p1999 as the only real successful emulator server. Nothing like this has ever had the population or the community besides live. So with this stemming from a successful emulator server it could go both ways. We haven't been presented with this type of scenario before, pending they will be using the most in depth and close to classic code as possible. With that being said if the community really wants this I think it can be done and will stick.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See this is where it is Tuff. I see how you could say it has the ability to fail

Sullon Zek peaked at 7000 active players over level 6. TZ, VZ, and RZ probably didn't get that high but the EQ PvP population is probably higher than the classic era, enthusiast population that was responsible for p1999 being created.

This server has the potential to be bigger than the blue server. It all depends on the rule set they use, teams vs no teams, and resist system. If the server goes with teams, I could see it easily having way more people than TZVZ did. If it goes FFA, I think the max you will see is 400-450.

Also, they can make minor adjustments to resists and spell damage and things like that here and there, but I think anything that dramatically alters how PvP worked on the live servers will only make population suffer (ie: things like whirl till you hurl landing in PvP).

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone would rather win an NBA championship over a neigborhood YMCA one.

Therefore, I know everyone will quit this training ground and go join the pro league. When that happens, I will be forced to see my accomplishments for what they are. I have learned in the past, there is no use being on top unless there are those below me from which to compare myself to.

Please do not let reality come flooding over me. Please let me continue to pretend that I am a big fish in a big pond rather than a small one with relatively poor accomplishments that a 10 yr old kid could accomplish as well.

You can still be a big fish in a big pond, but you will have to cast your fish nuts away and grow some human ones.

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...but I think anything that dramatically alters how PvP worked on the live servers will only make population suffer (ie: things like whirl till you hurl landing in PvP).

It's already been established by hordes of players that you didn't PVP until Velious and have no clue what you are talking about. All spells landed. Every spell has a chance to land even with 500+ mr. Whirl till you hurl had a chance to land in pve, pvp, back then, today, tomorrow etc...just like every other spell ever made in EQ.

Your memory is shot bro. That and you talk about things as if you were there which you weren't. Sorry bro, you lose again.

[naez]

sirken donated like $600 and thurloc was $200+, i mean overall the box hardware alone was like $3k in donations


"gronkus loves the box bros, he loved it so much he kept it" - master knuckle, c. 2009

[Heywood]

Originally Posted by naez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sirken donated like $600 and thurloc was $200+, i mean overall the box hardware alone was like $3k in donations


"gronkus loves the box bros, he loved it so much he kept it" - master knuckle, c. 2009

Wtf bish. Vile, knukle, and I donated 200+ each as well. Give credit when credit is due. I think thurloc did it in one sitting, whereas the rest of us did it in several easy payments of 49.99 and 74.99


Either way. Yes, we'll donate. Hell, I suck at pvp, and I still donated alot! I'm sure heresy will donate alot. Contrary to what i first thought of them, they're actually pretty generous and cool.

[naez]

Originally Posted by Heywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf bish. Vile, knukle, and I donated 200+ each as well. Give credit when credit is due. I think thurloc did it in one sitting, whereas the rest of us did it in several easy payments of 49.99 and 74.99


Either way. Yes, we'll donate. Hell, I suck at pvp, and I still donated alot! I'm sure heresy will donate alot. Contrary to what i first thought of them, they're actually pretty generous and cool.

Woah woah woah! Sorry brew, but you make it seem like I am all-knowing with the box finances. You're just lucky my nose was nowhere near a paypal link or it woulda gone straight to some booger sugar