Manastone /List yet another idea

[Polixa]

If the Eye or PH is stalled by people not killing, whether due to inability or stupidity, the top 6 on the List are ALL removed.

Force people to work together if they can't figure this out for themselves.

[Tilien]

"bring a group or solo it, /list is not a PUG" - People number 2 through 6 who aren't helping clear camp.

[Erati]

too easy to exploit automatic list removal due to not engaging or not being on encounter log

the only thing that needs to happen are actual player agreements that the GMs will enforce.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

too easy to exploit automatic list removal due to not engaging or not being on encounter log

the only thing that needs to happen are actual player agreements that the GMs will enforce.

No it wouldn't be. At least 6 players would be incentivized to make sure the mob is getting killed. You would have to have someone trying to keep it alive. If someone does that they just get reported and banned.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it wouldn't be. At least 6 players would be incentivized to make sure the mob is getting killed. You would have to have someone trying to keep it alive. If someone does that they just get reported and banned.

All it takes is #2 and beyond to form an opposition to #1 to the point the camp is a standoff and then any mechanic coded to kick people off the list due to engage time limits is suddenly giving all the power to anyone not in the #1 slot.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All it takes is #2 and beyond to form an opposition to #1 to the point the camp is a standoff and then any mechanic coded to kick people off the list due to engage time limits is suddenly giving all the power to anyone not in the #1 slot.

What are you on? #1 just kills the mob, end of story. If others try to keep it alive by like healing it or taking it off somewhere and not killing it report them and ban them ez.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you on? #1 just kills the mob, end of story. If others try to keep it alive by like healing it or taking it off somewhere and not killing it report them and ban them ez.

Seems like you havnt been to many of these camps.

#1 is rarely capable of solo ing the mob.

[Tilien]

I think the point of this is that if #2 doesn't help then he will be relisting and might end up #4. Meaning that 2 and 3 are highly motivated to help if there are 6 people on the list who are all independent from each other.

[Erati]

#1 on List is a Random but Nice person unable to solo the mob
#2-4 is all from the same guild and have orders to not help non guildies at list camps so more people join their guild

If you implement a system that allows a guild to monopolize list by ordering “no help” to anyone not tagged which in turn resets the list, you just made it easier to monopolize list camps w a zerg guild.

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 on List is a Random but Nice person unable to solo the mob
#2-4 is all from the same guild and have orders to not help non guildies at list camps so more people join their guild

If you implement a system that allows a guild to monopolize list by ordering “no help” to anyone not tagged which in turn resets the list, you just made it easier to monopolize list camps w a zerg guild.

I would agree this is possible but it would require a constant stream of non ask guildies to actually monopolize, and person 1 and 5 could still work together to kill it.

Assuming the guild will try to blockade the camp anyway would you rather have a system where the guild requires larger coordination (because if more nonguildies show up there could become a block of unguilded at the front) and forces the guild to actually clear the camp?

Or have one where the guild can blockade indefinitely or never clear camp?

Imagine a guild has positions 1-4 and refuse to assist the kill because 5 is unguilded. Once the unguilded is gone killing resumes.

Lots of ways to abuse both systems, I think one is marginally better than the other.