I messed up my faction and can't buy spells!

moarwade · #1 10-28-2025, 07:00 PM

Iksar Necro. I have been in Qeynos Hills for several levels killing the humanoids near Surefall Glade entrance, with the occasional trip to Qeynos Aqueducts to vendor.

Last night, someone asked for help killing Varsoon and without thinking, I ran over and helped out. The next time I went to the vendors as a newly leveled 29, they wouldn't sell to me! Conning dubious. (also I died and deleveled trying to get back LOL. It was a classic EQ moment for sure)

Varsoon was the only other factioned enemy I killed, and the wiki said he was a faction hit of 30. So I killed Neclo Rheslar who is a faction boost for the same ones 3 times (wiki says 10 faction gain) but the vendors are still dubious.

Am I on the right track? Should I just keep farming Neclo or is there another way to fix this? Thanks for any advice

loramin · #2 10-28-2025, 07:12 PM

It looks like Varsoon is on https://wiki.project1999.com/Bloodsabers faction. That page lists Neclo as being opposed to Bloodsabers, so yes killing him (or others on that list) enough times should recover your faction.

The thing to keep in mind about the wiki is that the factions are almost always correct, because players can see and fix them. The numbers however can't be seen (the wiki ones are based off the original EQ, when cheat programs allowed you to see faction numbers), so they're harder to correct if wrong.

As a result, your best bet is to ignore the numbers (or use them as a vague/general guide), and just focus on murdering innocent folk until the depraved people like you again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

moarwade · #3 10-28-2025, 07:24 PM

Ahhh, I did not realize that the numbers weren't certain, that makes more sense. I'll keep slaughtering Neclo then. Appreciate your help!

shovelquest · #4 10-28-2025, 07:28 PM

The vendors might be on corrupt qeynos guards faction.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Corrupt_Qeynos_Guards

Reiwa · #5 10-28-2025, 10:05 PM

Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

WarpathEQ · #6 10-29-2025, 10:29 AM

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Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

Source?

Reiwa · #7 10-30-2025, 01:10 AM

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Source?

It was revealed to me in a dream.

loramin · #8 10-29-2025, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

I forget if Live just started showing faction numbers at some point, or if ShowEQ exposed them, but either way that's where the wiki numbers originally came from ... and they aren't the Project 1999 numbers.

Like many things, there's a lot of overlap between Live and P99, so some of those numbers are likely correct ... but again, they aren't the P99 numbers, so many of them aren't correct. Since you can't know which are correct and which aren't, it's best to just ignore the numbers, or consider them a very rough ballpark estimate.

cd288 · #9 10-29-2025, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forget if Live just started showing faction numbers at some point, or if ShowEQ exposed them, but either way that's where the wiki numbers originally came from ... and they aren't the Project 1999 numbers.

Like many things, there's a lot of overlap between Live and P99, so some of those numbers are likely correct ... but again, they aren't the P99 numbers, so many of them aren't correct. Since you can't know which are correct and which aren't, it's best to just ignore the numbers, or consider them a very rough ballpark estimate.

Correct. We have no way of 100% knowing what the faction hits are on P99. We can approximate based on assumptions and long faction grinds, such as assuming an Iksar Necro starts max KOS with X faction and then killing the same mob over and over until you are threatening, but even then that's an estimate because I don't think we know for sure that Necro started as max KOS.

Reiwa · #10 10-30-2025, 01:09 AM

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Correct. We have no way of 100% knowing what the faction hits are on P99. We can approximate based on assumptions and long faction grinds, such as assuming an Iksar Necro starts max KOS with X faction and then killing the same mob over and over until you are threatening, but even then that's an estimate because I don't think we know for sure that Necro started as max KOS.

The starting race/class values for faction is what I mean was published/released.

Faction hits from kills/quests have been visible for a decade+