Red99 Enchanters: Let them CHARM players IMO

dusk883 · #1 08-25-2011, 01:14 PM

I played two classes on TZ, Necro and Enchanter. Life was too easy as a Necro most of the time so I would often play my Enchanter for fun (or when my necro was getting corpse camped). We were able to charm players for much of the time that Tallon was around and it was great. I wasn't a "good pvp'er" and always, always ran out of mana trying to pvp with my human enchanter with mid level gear. So I would end up just chain mezz'ing players until they plugged, that part I had down pat.

So this brings me to a question, will enchanters be able to charm players? Please?

dusk883 · #2 08-25-2011, 01:18 PM

Will never forget the time shortly after charming players was removed on Tallon Zek and I ran into another enchanter, we fought for an hour, sitting next to each other trying like hell to get mana to finish the other guy off. We were so ineffective that we just called a truce at level 32 or something because it was too much work to try and kill the other guy. Now, it we could have charmed each other, he'd be swimming with the fishes (or I would have been). Charming is FUN. Brings a fear factor from the class and takes away from the "oh lol he's a chanter" if we aren't allowed to charm. I don't care how nerfed it gets, just knowing it's possible would be good enough for pvp chanters to have their fun, too.

Humerox · #3 08-25-2011, 01:19 PM

Charming and fearing players - while fun - is just too wildly OP imo.

Enchanters would need more love with NPC charming in regards to PvP I think...that's the most dangerous weapon they have.

beentheredonethat · #4 08-25-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charming and fearing players - while fun - is just too wildly OP imo.

Enchanters would need more love with NPC charming in regards to PvP I think...that's the most dangerous weapon they have.

I wouldn't call Fearing someone wildly OP. To my monk roots and snares were seriously considered OP since it basically meant I'm standing there getting ready to eat an icecomet which would wipe me out in one shot.

Blind really sucked, since I would lose ability to bag gear. I think when comes down to it, anything can be OP depending on the situation.

EQ wasn't ever made for 1v1 pvp, its completely unbalanced. A monk without MR has absolutely no chance against someone with speed buffs or roots.

I used to fear / charm people off me on Rallos I remember. It was a very strong option, but most feared by far was root + icecomet.

dusk883 · #5 08-25-2011, 01:19 PM

For the record, there was also an early time on TZ when you could charm other caster's pets. THAT was a great equalizer.

And yes, I realize I was a terrible pvper and was part of the problem why I couldn't kill players 1vs1 as an enchanter.

dusk883 · #6 08-25-2011, 01:24 PM

was it really OP'd? I think in theory it was...but it was a mana sucker and if/when it wore off early, the enchanter was typically screwed. You had do something QUICK when you had someone charmed. If it was a situation that you knew they had 7 or 8 levels on you, the chanter would typically just charm them to create distance. Darwinism said if you're not an enchanter, do not engage the enchanter near guards... my opinion anyway. Enchanters on TZ were a rare sight when Charm was removed as I remember. Logging in meant instant, "group with us!" when pvp charm went away because so few were around.

Rainflush · #7 08-25-2011, 01:30 PM

Perhaps place a maximum duration on Charm/Fear spells versus players or something? It seems like it could be over-powered though it's lame when something simply doesn't work on players as it can almost always be implemented in some way which would limit it's effectiveness without negating it entirely.

dusk883 · #8 08-25-2011, 01:26 PM

which reminds me also that I don't know if it was the case on blue servers but illusions didn't have a time limit on either Tallon or Vallon through velious at least. Yet they have timers on P99. This doesn't have big impact for pvp stuff but at least its something to consider if enchanters aren't allowed to pvp charm.

Yukahwa · #9 08-25-2011, 01:28 PM

Charm was definitely OP. Attack a guard.

dusk883 · #10 08-25-2011, 01:34 PM

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Charm was definitely OP. Attack a guard.

Would you say it was OP if "/pet attack" was removed from a charmed player's "abilities"?