Custom PVP thoughts and potential problems.

mimixownzall · #1 10-22-2011, 02:35 AM

Instead of replying on the other thread that Rogean responded with the quote I'm about to put up, I decided to make a fresh thread to address this issue that seems to be at the fore front of the PvP server.

Before I begin I want to say that none of this is personal. Null really seems to be a pretty cool guy and I think we would be best pals IRL if we met. The same with Rogean and company though I'm sure he would get tired of my nagging computer questions I would hound him with every day. We all appreciate your time and effort in giving us the opportunity to relive our wasted youth that we spent in the EQ world. Now for the main subject:

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Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's funny is that you guys seem to think we were going to strictly adhere to 'classic' for the pvp server. On the contrary we would like to make it somewhat interesting and fun for everyone. Call it Custom Classic if you want, I don't give a shit.

This is fine but I thought I would point out some things that could potentially be problematic in the future if you continue to go with the custom route.

If you are going with the custom content could you please change the name of the server to something like "Classic Project 1999 content with custom balanced PvP" or something to that effect? If people see "Classic PVP" in the title, that is what they are going to expect. Expectations and first impressions are everything. If someone comes in expecting classic PVP they are going to be disappointed and will leave.

You possibly create a shit-storm when you throw out the 'but that is classic' rebuttal. You think people whine now? It will be 10x worse when people get on and start bitching that their class sucks... this other class is way OP, reduce this class's damage, up this classes damage. It will get really bad. What will be next? Diminishing returns? Wow is a good example of what happens when you try to perfectly balance pvp between all classes and make CC spells viable and not easily resisted. Every class has some stun/fear/root/snare. EQ is all about defined class roles which no other MMO has anymore. Again, if you stay with classic, then you can say "that is classic" and leave it up to that person to do the research and prove otherwise.
I feel that this is the main issue I struggle with. I think you could possibly be setting yourself up for a lot of headaches. I don't want you guys getting frustrated to the point of just saying "fuck it".

Another argument was going to be how custom pvp servers fail. After some thought I decided that the custom content and items were what really sucked about the other failed pvp servers, so I will just leave that one alone.

TL;DR summary: People know classic. People love classic. That is the whole point you guys created the P99 server and why it has been so successful. Don't open yourself up to more of a headache by going outside the lines of your original classic agenda.

Also, can we please have an intelligent discussion about this without all the douchebaggery name-calling? Remember, this isn't RnF.

Wonton · #2 10-22-2011, 02:38 AM

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

loopholbrook · #3 10-22-2011, 02:38 AM

I think by custom classic he meant that PvP won't be strictly classic Rallos Zek PvP. I'm pretty sure that no custom content is going to be added.

Softcore PK · #4 10-22-2011, 03:32 AM

So it's different from classic. What does that really matter? Classic EQ pvp was unbalanced and broken, as I'm sure we all remember. Maybe Null will work to fix some of these imbalances, and things will actually be better. If not, though, then it's still not a big deal. We're used to broken, right?

Everything will be fine.

mimixownzall · #5 10-22-2011, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it's different from classic. What does that really matter? Classic EQ pvp was unbalanced and broken, as I'm sure we all remember. Maybe Null will work to fix some of these imbalances, and things will actually be better. If not, though, then it's still not a big deal. We're used to broken, right?

Everything will be fine.

Hey, I will play and give it a shot. I was just trying to be helpful by pointing out some possible disasters and headaches. If Null and company are ready for the long haul, then great! I would hate to see their real lives suffer and both servers suffer from them getting fed up with all the drama and bickering that is to come when 'keep it classic' cuts out 95% of it. I mean look, it's only beta and you have people like cast acting the way they do.

DarthPeon · #6 10-22-2011, 05:29 AM

off topic, but what was your name during qwtf era?

Galacticus · #7 10-22-2011, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are going with the custom content could you please change the name of the server to something like "Classic Project 1999 content with custom balanced PvP" or something to that effect? If people see "Classic PVP" in the title, that is what they are going to expect. Expectations and first impressions are everything. If someone comes in expecting classic PVP they are going to be disappointed and will leave.

ITS CALLED BETA RIGHT NOW...

mimixownzall · #8 10-22-2011, 05:52 AM

I was MiniKin.

I also went as A Backstreet Boy on the i'm12 server.

DarthPeon · #9 10-22-2011, 07:11 AM

Not familar with that name, but good times.

Handle was GODspeed, I played for [im12], [M], GT prior to eq being released, Jingwu later. For about a few months after EQ release the top competitive scene died as everyone rolled on the Cazic Thule server.

Fun fact, Jingwu which started in the 2nd coming of TF (about 6 months after eq release) was led and consisted of 5 eq devs. (bungle (Joe Russo), suntzu (Thomas Q), Khalid (Lawrence poe), and 2 other guys i forget...)

Mike Morhaime who went on to lead LoS as Ariel on nameless also played TF, with the handle Se7en, he was a badass medic. He's kind of a big dawg now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Melveny · #10 10-22-2011, 03:33 PM

My 2 cent.

I am not against classic only, but I am also not against slight custom alterations for the better of the server and better for pvp.

A lot of you need to understand, it may not be classic but certain changes were made on live to fix GAME BREAKING flaws that effect pvp. Being able to charm or fear players was removed for good reason, classic yes, game breaking yes, good for pvp no. Pets zoneing is huge, they drop here so IDK how you people are dieing to any mage at all, not to mention they cant see debuffs on pets to know when to dispell, game breaking. Bards with the charm drop of pets, classic yes, game breaking and not good for pvp yes.

Anyway, Rogean and Null are not here to make a shitty server that people wont enjoy. It will have the classic content we ALL enjoy, with slight pvp modifications to make the pvp experience enjoyable no matter the class.

Also please keep in mind, the above game breaking references are not things i am saying should be in game or will be in game. I am just providing examples, keep the trolling to the minimum.